DPS Investigating One Death in Gruesome Crash at Concho and S. Bryant

Sounds to me from what I get out of reading this story, the only loss suffered to the rest of us here in San Angelo is one of our locals living the thug life is forever gone and will never be missed............

A little compassion goes a long way, kind of rude to make a judgement like that without anymore facts about the situation. I don't know, after the Professor in California incident, maybe that's just how we treat lost lives now.

People should watch what they say about people they don't. I don't personally know the young man this happened to,but I do know his you widow,and their sweet baby. Yeah he will be greatly missed. Pray for his family ,instead of playing on your phone.

Peoples rants on here are just. We are tired of all these irresponsible people who never think about anyone else's lives or condition. The police were trying to stop him for illegal activity. He chose to run. He chose to run a red light endangering those with him and those around him. Risking the life of an 83 year old woman. He is one responsible for how his family is going to feel by his actions and choices. Would you rather the 83 year old innocent woman's family be the one in grief? We on here, do not wish anyone's death, but, people or sick of criminal and irresponsible actions injuring others. This is why they make the comments about these people. Don't try and shame them! Shame the one who caused this to begin with. He is the one who should be worried about his family's welfare! Quit blaming everyone else and dismissing what they have done. Or trying to find some insignificant excuse for them. Blame the guilty. They make their stupid choices.

It sounds to me like the truck was occupied by mostly young men, who have been known from time to time to not exercise the best judgement... The main point I tried to make was that the driver was solely responsible for the accident. Not everyone comes from the same upbringing in this life, many people tend to think along the same lines but you guys obviously can see that because of different lifestyles and upbringing's, we're bound to see some folks who's idea of what may be ok conflict's with ours. Just because these boys were riding with the driver does not automatically give us the proof that they were all desiring to live the "thug" life as we've now coined the driver. I just know that their are a fair number of questionable characters out in society and once kids are old enough to make their own decisions, they will encounter some of these and will have to decide for themselves if they would pass the stage of acquaintance and move on to being friends or to distance themselves from them because they disagree with that lifestyle. That can be a hard time for youngsters who desire love and acceptance from their peers and it just feels like it was a rough thing for Dr. Dingbat to say that the passenger losing his life over the drivers actions was a life that would "never be missed".
Other side of the fence,
I've had the pleasure of meeting a fair number of men who would instantly be deemed "Thugs" by most standards today. The guy with the tattoo's on his neck down to his hands isn't always a bad guy... That may be the markings of a time when he was but it's not possible to apply that judgement of somebody across the board and be right every time. I have known men who's past were shockingly violent and hopeless... Today they are gentle and loving father's and contributors to society. Some men, upon a second or perhaps third or fourth chance, see that their lives are heading nowhere and get it together but I think we should all agree that we all have times in our own lives that we don't want to be the defining moment for us and how we're remembered by society. When we blow it big, don't we desire mercy and compassion? In this situation, the young man driving is not who I am bargaining for, although I won't slander him, it was his decision to act that way and I don't like to see it anymore that you guys... He deserves his punishment. It just hurts my heart to see how quickly we can paint the whole picture wrong with our imperfect judgement's... So in the case of the passenger who lost his life, which of you will cast the first stone? He may have made poor choices about friends but which of you hasn't had to evaluate friendships in your own life? Especially as younger men and women?
I don't post this because it's my opinion, I post it because it is someone else's whom I agree with.

It seems as though your idea of right and wrong are based simply upon being a law abiding citizen. It goes much deeper than that. We won't see these things magically disappear and stop being a societal problem.

You did say, " If your lifestyle involves drugs, drinking and criminal activity, family abuse and domestic disputes endangering all around you, then your customs, lifestyles or culture do not belong here with law abiding, innocent citizens." I would then ask you, where will we put people then?

We see things from a limited perspective most of the time... that is, if we look at things from 'our own' perspective... Most of the people on Live see things the way you do Bella... why do we "the good people" have to live with all the people who do evil things? Most feel justified in themselves because they don't do terrible things and they abide by the law.

This is how life is, it will continue this way too... We don't like to see evil like, murder and rape but God can't wipe those things out and let us live in Utopia... God is Holy and Righteous. If God were to wipe out sin, He'd have to wipe out all sin to be fair and from his perspective sin is just sin... It's all unholy to Him.

So, if God wiped out the murderers and the rapists, He'd have to wipe out the liars, thieves, adulterers, fornicators, covetous and the prideful as well.
None of us is without sin, He'd have to wipe us all out! God is not subject to fallen notions of fairness.
Maybe it's just time to change our perspective and go to God for the answers to the questions we have.

First off, if you are a Marine as the name implies I would like to thank you for your service to our country! Secondly, I just want to get things back on track with what it is that I'm trying to communicate...

I'm a human being just like you guys, being a Christian and sharing about God's perspective on things does not mean that I can't comprehend the message that ya'll are trying to convey. In fact, I agree with it, in lots of ways. It is disturbing to see the uncaring attitudes of the criminal elements and how much devastation and pain are caused when people do things that are wrong.

I'm by no means justifying or attempting to defend those who choose to break the law, especially those who do it with deadly consequences. For instance, the kids in this truck wreck on Bryant were doing drugs prior to the crash. I don't think it's right to say that they guy would never be missed though... I know some will slander others regardless but seriously, he wasn't driving and just because he was young and making bad choices doesn't justify those of us who know that kind of stuff is stupid and wrong to slander him... He won't be around to read it, his family will, so the impact goes to an unintended victim who's already reeling over the choices the guy made, let's not place the blame on them either.

That's what I'm saying, our words have meaning and they can breath life into the world we live in or death to it. I'm not unrealistic because I follow Jesus, I don't expect you guys or myself not to express frustrations with people who break the law and cause hurt and needless death but I have to scratch my head when folks like Bella dch1123 say things like, " if your lifestyle involves drugs, drinking and criminal activity, family abuse and domestic disputes endangering all around you, then your customs, lifestyles or culture do not belong here with law abiding, innocent citizens." And your comment Devil Dog, "I do feel SOMEONE needs to make the arrangement for people like this to be judged by the only one who can really judge them..." At that point I can't make out how these things are justifiable to you guys... Like I said to Bella, where do you think we should put people? What I would ask you Devil Dog is do you really expect that somebody out there is just going to go on a "bad guy" killing spree to send the no good folks to their maker?

If we would follow our own though processes out to the finish, it would be possible to recognize the flaws in them. It would not be legal or acceptable to do any "Mass" evil control in our city... We don't allow for "Vigilante" justice. We have a system in place to handle the prosecution of those who will inevitably do what they are going to do and we should support it... Where it does not work perfectly, we should drive that much more attentively due to the fact we know some drunk or high person is going to be driving around who just got P.R. bonded out of T.G.C.J.. We should know the law regarding self defense and the defense of a third party because we know that people will be trying to put their hands or various other tools on other people to hurt them.

These are all individual incidents and the impact we could have on the whole city may be a small one... That is unless we could all view things a little differently. Even if we change our viewpoints, the truth remains that we can't just stop these social injustices by sheer force and on a total scale... Those ideas sound good when somebody is emotional about the bad things that happen and I agree, it would be easier if we could just be done with the craziness of those who don't seem to care at all about our lives but it's not a realistic approach.

Finally, I would like to say that it is important to watch how we word our judgement of situations like these in the day to day because the criminal is in jail, the person who loses their life is dead, the people who get convicted go to prison, all that is left is their family who can come on here and read what others have said... If our words are meant to be hurtful, I'm sure they will accomplish what they set out to do... No wonder so many people don't care about others when, even if they are in the wrong, they get treated with filthy slander, hate and disrespect...

Speak life into our city and don't be the one who's words just breed hate in someone else... Remember, you have to live with them in our city until the point that they get into the system that most feel isn't working, which may not be permanent. If you want to be at peace with society, then live in it and speak in it with some discernment.

I don't know how much more I can emphasize where I'm coming from, like I said, I'm just like you, I'm not blind to the evils out here... People get what they bargain for if they do bad long enough, let life be the punisher, not our words... By no means do I mean to accept or condone evil but there is a way to speak the truth about it without being hateful... Speak the truth about it and see how much more effective it is than to spew hate that will only breed more hate.

One more thing, if you pay into the Hollywood movies and T.V. shows that portray and perpetuate gun violence, inappropriate sexual themes and glorify drug usage then you are part of the problem... It is a double standard to go and watch, supporting financially, movies and T.V. like "Breaking Bad" or "We're The Millers" etc. and then come to San Angelo Live and talk about how evil druggies kill people and need to be eradicated on a massive scale. Hollywood glorifies the evils that exist and make them look like it's all cool, if you pay into those improper portrayals of how life is when you behave that way, don't be surprised when people accept it as a social "norm".

I'm sorry, but if you're on a crime spree and speeding indiscriminately through traffic to evade the police, you're disregard for the innocent public at large is the problem -- NOT those of us who would condemn such actions.

If myself or my loved one is running an errand or tending to family affairs and gets hit by a truck full of human garbage, I'm not necessarily wondering what Jesus would do.

Though I consider myself a pessimist in many respects, I'd like to think I'm doing my best, for myself and by those I value. For the most part, I'm grateful for the life I have, and having it cut short because some useless asshole wants to play GTA on the public streets is definitely not the way I want to go.

If there be such an idle personality as "Jesus", pining away to reward or condemn his father's failed science experiments, let him sort out the garbage when it gets to him. Meanwhile, the rational, discerning individual will call this what it is and cross their fingers that the next time four idiots decide that evading the consequences for their actions supercedes public safety, that none of them get out of their ordeal alive.

Hatred and discrimination are very real and innate emotions in all of us. They keep us from mixing with the wrong crowd, they remind us of that which we love and can be the driving motivation behind protecting these loved ones at any cost. If religion or sheer ignorance has numbed your senses down to that of an automaton, you're no more equipped to deal with the realities of modern life, than those who seek to encroach upon it. There are simply people among us who would do the world a great service by taking themselves out, hopefully with as little collateral damage as possible.

I have absolutely no qualms with people who figuratively flagellate themselves for the deity of their choosing. I do however take issue with those who assume the rest of us are participants in their spiritual pipe dream, and ask that we forgo our instincts and better judgement in the name of becoming sacrificial lambs for criminal trash.

Indiscriminate love for everyone depreciates the meaning of love. To lament the passing of a violent criminal is the sentiment of a masochist, who by his twisted reasoning, indirectly regrets one less chance of becoming victimized.

You sound smart but you still lack any real solution to the problem we're talking about... You do a great job of utilizing your time spent in the thesaurus and some may be intimidated by the ferocity of your verbal onslaught but I still beg the question... What, beside the judicial system we already have working, do you propose could be done about these atrocities we see? Within the realm of legality?

I hear a lot of shallow thoughts like, "Kill em' all and let God sort em' out" But I hear no actual solutions... See, as acquainted with darkness and morbidity as you are, and not to mention, as logical and intelligent, I would have at least expected you to realize that there is nothing we can do to take out evil... Each of us must decide whether to be watchful of the inevitable criminal element or not. Paying attention and exercising caution alone can mean the difference between life and death when out in traffic... Seriously, attack all you want, I don't hate you, although I disagree with much of your worldview, maybe we could at least agree to disagree.

What is it that makes many of you believe that we should feel safe and should be able to avoid all negative repercussions of the criminal element? Our system can't eliminate these hazards... Choose today to be watchful and intentional, knowing that at any moment something could happen and be prepared... Believe it or not, a lot of these things happen just because the rest of us are in our own little bubble not worried about the possibilities, keep yourself from being involved in the collateral damage.

Even after doing everything possible to avoid being the victim of a careless tragedy, it is still possible to become one today! I'm ready to go although I would prefer it wasn't by the hand of negligent criminals myself, truth be told, we don't get much of a say so do we? Like I said, you basically have thwarted the question that I still pose... If you are upset with these thing's that you see, what changes do you think would be effective in comparison to what we already have and within the realm of legality? My answer to that question, to be fair, is that I don't see anything we could change at this moment that would affect the impact of the frequency or severity of these types of occurrences...

What we see in motion is the effect of sin in a fallen creation and God holds the only answers that matter to the questions we have.
It's ok if you don't like it.

"The world we live in wasn't always like this
The early days had perfect righteousness and bright bliss
Man and woman under God-ruled government at first
Bubbling with mirth, immersed in loving with no hurts
God gave what theologians call the covenant of works
Forbidden fruit- the day you eat of it you'll be cursed
Husband wasn't alert; wife lacked discernment
Entrapped by the serpent and that was the first sin
The consequences were monumental
In fact, I'm not convinced they had a clue of what they'd gotten into
Their eyes were opened more- truth in the lies
To their surprise, they didn't get the prize they were hoping for
They see their nakedness and now regret it
They tried to cover their guilt and then blame shift- how pathetic
And it's a true story- you want some evidence?
We've been doing the same thing ever since" Shai Linne, In Adam All Die.

Look here... it's an example of the system working when a citizen uses it.

I'll put the link in the bottom for you.

"Carlos Louis Rodriguez, 27, was arrested Saturday morning for reckless driving and no driver’s license. The arrest came after a traffic stop in the 500 block of E. 20th Street after police were dispatched to the area for the report of a reckless driver."

Yeah, this guy might end up behind the wheel again but it won't come easy, just be on the lookout as you drive in case he has friends that don't think twice to let him use their vehicle when he gets out.

https://sanangelolive.com/news/crime/2018-04-24/evading-arrest-causing-death-tops-weekend-booking-report

I've never had a defeatist attitude, I'm a realist in many regards... Things go 1,2,3 in the way my brain works and sometimes that has proven to be a shortcoming, yes but putting me in the same realm as a person who wishes to excuse crime is contrary to what I've said...

Did you never drink and drive? Not once? Did you never do drugs? Not once? Wow, I find it hard to believe that you guys didn't do stupid things as youngsters. Maybe you lived a good life always and decided from your age of responsibility to obey the law just because it was there.

I tend to think most of you just didn't get caught or were lucky enough to have not harmed anyone in your stupidity but that does not amount to righteousness... I do make an appeal to those who will listen on the behalf of the various kinds of screwups out there because I was one a long time back.
You can't tell just by looking, even if the gent has a repetitive criminal history, if he's just doomed as your view of life would lead you and encourage others to do...

I'm no stranger to the criminal element... I've shared living conditions with convicted murderers and had to let the Lord intervene in my life because I once was the "garbage" that you would so easily throw out... If you ask me, I'm glad that our system is balanced between harshness and leniency... Your view of the value of human life puts you on par with the very folks that your appeal is against... That's why it takes so much work to change laws because people like you want an easy solution to life's problems, "Just throw away the human garbage please, get it out of my sight!".

Like I have said, I have no qualms about being in my society and handling my own out there... I have worked the streets that you complain about being riddled with empty human husks at night when the crazies come out... I know what it's like to work every single night in N.E. Angelo, out there with the thugs who wonder what I'm doing so they follow me, pull around front and try to intimidate because they're twacked out and haven't seen me before. I worked this sector when quite a few of these capital murders occurred and they happened on my route... Delacruz, my route, Zane Lopez and Juan Guerrero, my route, the crazy man who set fire to his house so he and his wife could take out first responders, my route, Culbreath, my route, drive by's, family violence, prostitution, drug's, stabbings, I've seen it all going down and it was my job to go out there every night while you were safe in your home asleep Lares.

That's just a small portion, I've seen things that would make you terrified to be so morbid... I don't know what you heard about Jesus that makes you think that Christians are weak people who must turn the other cheek when confronted but you obviously haven't studied the word of God or been around too many Christian men who really live this way. It takes more to follow Christ than it does not to, and I have no problem answering to Jesus on the day I meet Him about any of my actions if somebody gives me the grounds by law to have to defend my family or a third party... We are not commanded to be weak and be run over. I do my part out here...

I thank God that I got another chance at life because you see it in the news all the time, stories of those who don't have that chance ever again and that's why I make an appeal about those who aren't full blooded, apathetic, hardened criminals yet... For some folks there is still a chance and my God Love's even those who reject it... But don't think Jesus is weak, there is a Hell... and although He won't beat down the door of your heart but gently knocks, if you don't accept Him in this life, He says there's no excuse and that separation from God is what you'll get for eternity... That should interest your fascination with things that are morose... It's a dark truth that one day there will be no excuses and the Ultimate Judge will deal accordingly... Remember, Jesus came as the Lamb for the slaughter already, next time we see Him, it will be as the Lion.

I respect that you value those you love as do I, but your view on all criminals seems to be the same and even though some slip through the cracks, God works all things out for His glory... That's why our government is set up the way it is... We are the ones who control who is in office and don't feed me any conspiracy theory crud... If something in our system isn't the way you like it then all you can do is push for or against legislation and vote... So if that's the reality, why don't you come join us here and talk about reality instead of being silly playing mental games with yourself as we read it all like some sick "Lares World" puppet show.

I may speak harsh truths but I don't know how to sugar coat things very easily... Most seem to understand my viewpoint but you and a few others seem to misunderstand the Love that I feel for those who might one day figure it out as a weakness... I think our system works, criminals get what the bargain for in this life and I try to be compassionate toward the wayward walking fellows who aren't teetering on the brink of apathy and law abiding public mass murder.

What makes you think you will be treated fairly? We were given a life and our country says that we can pursue happiness it did not promise the attainment of such to all...
Before I go, I am glad to hear that your father overcame the adversities he faced, especially racial discrimination... He and many men like him are shining examples of how to live with an inner resolve in a world of outer chaos.

The non impressionable adults will not be swayed be either argument and frankly, I recommend you call it a draw and retire to your perspective corners. We lost interest in your little tete-a-tete a while back. And I always did like the Readers Digest......

"People CAN and DO raise themselves above their plight."

That is what you said right? In one of my earlier posts I posted something quite similar...

"I have known men who's past were shockingly violent and hopeless... Today they are gentle and loving father's and contributors to society. Some men, upon a second or perhaps third or fourth chance, see that their lives are heading nowhere and get it together but I think we should all agree that we all have times in our own lives that we don't want to be the defining moment for us and how we're remembered by society."

I would venture so far as to say that we both want to see the same thing, less pain and suffering caused by people who don't care. A lot of your viewpoints are valid and well researched with an accurate and realistic approach. I have no problem with those things, I support many of your underlying beliefs about the differences between mainstream law abiding private citizens and the sub-society criminal types fully invested in being content to attain nothing but the things that entertain and interest them, mainly drugs, guns and various other ill-gotten gains through intimidation of the public and thievery.

When someone has shown that they want no part of repentance from their ways, that is when we should give them some firm consequences.
That is what we do after all... Allison Palmer can testify to that... She has prosecuted many with the remark that they showed no remorse and they got a stiff sentence.

In fact, on a side note, I would challenge you to find a concept of morality that existed without God as the divine author of that morality.

You obviously have researched particular pieces of scripture in order to tear them down but God's word is infallible and your attempts at attacking His word come from, at best, a patchwork of misconstrued versions of scriptural teachings coupled with an improper use of context and we obviously know that your version of God's word and the work of Jesus Christ come from a position of extreme bias.

For the sake of meaningful dialogue, you really should take less time attempting to tear down scripture in a manner that doesn't do anything but pervert what is there... At least take some time to tangle in some talented arguments that could have structure to them.

"The only way to dispel ignorance is the utilization of education and unbiased presentation."
A quotation of your very own.
"Fact: we live in a nation of multiculturalism and religious pluralism; the country's founders would staunchly reject the notion of the United States being "a Christian nation", commandeered by theocratic rule."
Another quotation of yours.

Stop contradicting yourself... Plenty of information is available to show that the founding fathers set up a nation unlike any before and since, simply because it was derived from Biblical principle, the Bible is the book from which Christianity is founded is it not? What would we call this nation's founding then? Your attacks on Christianity are not substantial... When you don't know what to talk about you resort to brow beating and deflection... Educate me with an unbiased presentation on how I'm wrong.