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I agree with you on your opinion. I have been saying and thinking the same thing for years. We have to have respect for each other, including those who haven't taken their first breath yet. But we don't and until we do, things will continue to deteriorate. We are all brothers and sisters and children of the same God. We must...we must..... learn to accept each other's differences. Learn to love one another and learn to respect each other before it is too late.

While I can certainly agree that the lack of respect for fellow human beings is a common thread among the majority of mass shooters, I can't quite go so far as to label abortion as an underlying cause of these horrific events. I'll save that debate for another time.

While the politicos rant and rave over gun control and mental illness ad nauseam once again, I cannot foresee any legislation that will effect a reduction in these acts of mass violence, unfortunately. Making some weapons unavailable for public purchase will not make the existing ones vanish, nor will it prevent mass killings via trucks, bombs, arson, poison, or other murderous means.

The one thing we can do, is to immediately cease tolerating the existence of mass shooters........Period. I suggest that local, state and federal law enforcement agencies invoke a kill on sight policy for all mass shooters, no arrest whatsoever. Once engaged by law enforcement shoot them until they are dead. If they drop their weapon and surrender, shoot until they are dead.

Texas Ranger Frank Hamer eliminated the Bonnie and Clyde threat with just such a policy. FBI agent Melvin Purvis didn't give John Dillinger a chance to fight back, they shot him on the street without mercy.

While this policy may not stop some from mass murder, such as those who plan to commit suicide themselves or via cop after their rampage has concluded, the cowards who are planning to kill on a large scale and surrender afterwards will know that they will no longer be coddled in our jails, courts, mental institutions and prisons.

We'll never make the world "safe" or "fair". Life has always been and always will be neither of those things. But we can refuse to tolerate the very existence of these people.

Within minutes of the El Paso shooting, Democrats (including El Paso leadership and Beetle Bailey Beto) were blaming Trump for the murders. The national news is blaring the Dayton shooter was a left wing nut job who supported Fauxahontas Warren. The current political climate in the country is more heated and childish that I've seen in my lengthy lifetime.

But, the simple fact of the matter is something is twisted and crazy in the mind of someone who commits a mass murder. Did their Mommy not hold them enough as a child? Can they not get a date/job/life? I have a much better solution for these wing nuts....if you are that miserable, kill yourself, please. I would prefer grocery shopping without a gun on my hip. Alas, in current American society, I must.

Blaming Jesus for the inquisition has got to be up there with some of the least thought out comments I've ever heard.

A little study into the history and beliefs of others will help to keep from sounding so uneducated.

If some reader went out and killed 25 criminals in San Angelo and blamed it on Lares, is it really Lares inspiration that killed them?

So there you have it folks, by Lares own admission, the number of people with no religious beliefs has doubled since the turn of the last century and shows no signs of stopping. Not a far cry from the point that Kendall was making.

More people have died in these last 2 centuries than in all the other centuries combined, maybe throwing God away had something to do with it.

One article says that the number of gun deaths in America now totals more than the number of all our losses in war combined.

Seems to me like you're not fighting the idea in the article but supporting it.

Your last comment...

Let me ask you, what assumption of Christianity has been proven false?

Well, Nate, and here we are. Just as the faith of the Catholic fathers in Galileo's day persecuted him for his scientific discovery that the Earth goes around the sun, here you are attacking science again when it disagrees with the Bible by forwarding the theory of evolution. By extension, your attack also implies that perhaps the Earth is only 6,000 years old as Biblical scholars once asserted confidently. Facts are not your friend, it seems, and neither are the theories based on them.

The challenge that Elijah gave his opponents in 1 Kings chapter 18 was one that provided solid proof, unlike your assertions that mostly seem to negate proofs and evidence. The account given there says that he called down fire from heaven to prove the power of Jehovah. This isn't the first time you've been challenged to do this, so one has to wonder whether 1) Jehovah doesn't exist or 2) you just don't have his approval.

Your presentation of ideas is wonky here, Nate. We want to say that the right aligned shooter in El Paso or the left aligned shooter in Ohio didn't have a good relationship with Jehovah, but if they had both acted out against irreligiousness in the name of Christ similar to the way that Islamic terrorists do for their faith, what then? Your "pitch" is a hard sell, other religions like Islam and Hinduism also point out "scientific revelations" giveb in their scriptures, (I don't want to have to watch those videos to post them here... but I can...) and when it's all said and done, you haven't made much of a case for WHY your religious tradition might have stopped something like these shootings—though you're absolutely sure that a lack of it helped bring them about.

I'm not about to start a holy war online. I've already learned that people don't want to hear it. But if you want to make a case based on your scriptures based on old Semitic legends, you could do a better job of it. I'll leave you with this dramatization of how the massive Ram Setu was built—a giant, physically impressive, measurable evidence of Hanuman's ancient construction efforts:
https://youtu.be/AIx72UokEYg
Science weighs in:
https://youtu.be/FA3LN4vqtlM

Sorry I can't flood SAL like I used to, see I have a family to spend my time with, if you were serious about your question's, I would devote more time to research some things for you and discuss them, keep that in mind if you ever get to that point I can post an email here.

"Regressives cherish an utterly sophomoric myth, that the problem with modern society is guns. If we could just get rid of guns, they think, society would once again be peaceful and harmonious, and everyone would get along famously.

But the problem in modern society is not guns, it is people.

The left thinks that guns are inherently evil. No, they are not. They are inanimate objects which can be used for noble purposes (protecting national security, enforcing the law, protecting your family) as well as for evil purposes. You can use a hammer to build a house or beat someone to death. The hammer is just the tool. The problem is with the one who is swinging it.

Guns are not inherently evil, people are. The Christian doctrine of original sin is that man is an innately fallen creature, fallen from birth and even before. David says, “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me” (Psalm 51:5).

What theologians mean by original sin is that every single one of us is born with an inherent bent toward sin, selfishness, and even violence. You yourself have this inherent bent toward sinfulness - ask your wife if you don’t believe me - and she does too. Your children got their sin nature the old-fashioned way, from their parents.

Now many modern liberals take umbrage with the thought that they themselves, as enlightened as they are, could possibly be sinful by nature. But the doctrine of original sin is the easiest doctrine in the Bible to prove. Ask parents one simple question, and the truth will out.

Ask them whether they had to teach their children to be good or to be bad. Parents do not have to teach their children how to be bad - kids have got that figured out all by themselves. No, parents have to teach their children how to be good. Why? Because their humanity is bent toward evil and unless that pull is resisted and overcome, it will destroy the children and maybe even people around them.

The whole purpose of the incarnation was to defeat this evil that wants to consume human beings. “The reason the Son of God appeared,” John tells us, was “to destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8).

Thus the ultimate solution to society’s woes cannot be found in man, no matter how educated and enlightened he happens to be. The ultimate solution to society’s challenge is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

So that leaves us with the challenge of living in a fallen world, surrounded by people who may not have an interest in restraining their appetites through the power of the Spirit of God. How do we navigate a dangerous world like that? The Founders understood the basic depravity of man, which is why they established clear separation of powers in our Constitution. Power needed to be separated because no man could be trusted with absolute power.

And the Founders also gave us the Second Amendment so we could defend ourselves, our families, and our friends from the physical attacks of fallen people who mean us harm.

Jesus himself provided the theological underpinnings for the right of self-defense when he instructed his own disciples to arm themselves in their own defense. “He said to them, ‘But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment” (Luke 22:36-37).

And so he was taken into custody just minutes later and executed as a common criminal and a threat to national security. “You will be numbered with me, identified with me, and evil men may assault you because of that. You need, every one of you, to buy a sword in preparation for that day.”

Because man has this disposition toward evil - yes, we are all “born that way” - if we were to confiscate every gun in America today, tomorrow someone would be committing mass murder with something else.

My good friend Clayton Cramer published a column this week at National Review entitled, “Mass Murder Without Guns.” After cataloging 504 incidents of mass murder, he concludes that evil people don’t only use guns to commit mass killings. They use axes (“I can imagine axe-control fanatics in 1890 arguing that “an axe in your home is more likely to be used against you than against an intruder”), hatchets, blunt objects, hanging, drowning, poison gas, poison, fire, and airplanes.

But we’re just getting started. According to Cramer, cigarette lighter fluid, gasoline, camp-stove gas, knives (even kitchen knives), meat cleavers, explosives, bombs, and cars and trucks have all been used in a pinch.

The point here is that if we restrict access guns, bad actors will simply seize on something else. It’s time to do two things: get our minds right about the fallenness of man, and encourage Americans to follow Christ’s advice and get armored up."

https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/08/banning-guns-won-t-stop-mass-murders-here-s-proof/

"Everyone is scratching their heads trying to figure out what has gone wrong when disturbing stories break of more attacks by young men killing strangers at random. We are reeling as a nation in the wake of these mass shootings and wondering what has gone wrong.

Our cultural elites have led us down a path of unbelief, and now we are reaping the consequences.

I’m reminded of the story about Voltaire, the famous French skeptic, who helped grease the skids for the bloody French Revolution. When one of his skeptical guests was talking loudly at his home, Voltaire asked him to lower his voice. He didn’t want the servants to hear their godless philosophy, lest they steal the silverware.

It’s the morality, stupid. Of course, this phrase piggybacks on the unofficial campaign slogan of Bill Clinton in 1992: “It’s the economy, stupid!” This simple phrase kept them focused, eventually on to victory.

In today’s crisis, which is not something brand new, it’s been brewing for decades in America: It’s the morality, stupid. And what’s the cause of this morality? We have driven God out of the public arena.

Unbelief assumes there is no divine accountability. When there is no fear of God in the land, then people do whatever they feel like doing - even if it inflicts mayhem on others. As an atheist character in Dostoyevsky’s Brothers Karamazov put it: “…since there is no infinite God, there’s no such thing as virtue either and there’s no need for it at all.”

America is ultimately an experiment in self-government. After the Founding Fathers hammered out the Constitution in the convention in 1787 in Philadelphia, a Mrs. Powell of that city asked Benjamin Franklin what kind of government they gave us. His answer was classic: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

The Founders knew that the only way we could sustain this self-government was by the people being virtuous, acting in a moral way. And how would that morality be sustained? Answer: through voluntary religion.

The man who spoke more than any other at the Constitutional Convention was Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania. He is credited with writing some of the Constitution, including the preamble (“We the people”). He noted that religion is necessary for morality: “Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man toward God.”

George Washington said in his Farewell Address that it is religion that sustains morality. If you undermine religion, you’ll undermine morality.

That is precisely what has happened to America. Beginning with a whole series of misguided Supreme Court decisions, religious influence - frankly Christian influence - in society was restricted more and more. By the 1960s, God was effectively kicked out of the public schools.

When he was 14 years old, William J. Murray was the plaintiff in one of the key anti-school prayer cases on behalf of his atheist mother, Madalyn Murray O’Hair. Today, Murray is a born- again Christian, ruing the terrible decision and its consequences.

He once told me, “I would like people to take a look at the Baltimore public schools today versus what they were when I went to those schools in 1963 and my mother took prayer out of the schools. We didn’t have armed guards in the hallways then when we had God in the classroom. But I’ll guarantee you there are armed guards [now]. In fact, the city school system of Baltimore now has its own armed police force.”

We lack a fear of God in our land. Young people have no idea that after they die, they will have to give an account to Jesus, whom the Founders called in the Declaration of Independence, “the Supreme Judge of the World.”

In the mid-19th century, one of the Speakers of the House of Representatives was Robert Charles Winthrop, a descendant of John (“a City on a Hill”) Winthrop, the Puritan founder of Boston.

Robert Winthrop gave an address in 1849 at the Massachusetts Bible Society, in which he noted, in effect, our choice is clear: Christianity or violence?

Here’s what Winthrop said:

All societies of men must be governed in some way or other. The less they have of stringent State Government, the more they must have of individual self-government. The less they rely on public law or physical force, the more they must rely on private moral restraint.

Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them, or a power without them; either by the word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.

Would that we choose the Bible today, as the settlers and the founders of our nation chose to do."

https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2019/08/its-the-morality-stupid/

You two are spending a lot of time trying to one-up each other, but I learned long ago to disengage from these perpetual and pointless debates, simply because neither will convince the other of anything. As adults, we've had plenty of time to formulate and adapt our own belief system and ya'll are no exception.

I think both of you realize that the other will not be swayed to your beliefs, so is the relentless diatribe an effort to impress the readers and each other your knowledge of the Bible vs Roget's Thesaurus?

Moving on now.........

Mark 8:34-35
34- Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35- For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.

People don't like what Jesus said... It's hard and comes with many implications, the same rings true today.

John 6:44
44- No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

There's a reason that more than 2000 years later, we still talk about this... It's because the topic never grows old, God is everlasting.

Here is some more evidence of the growing problem in America today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r93-A2QJ7AI

Yeah, because ADULTS don't ever learn new things! They've all grown up and matured so much that they can't have their minds changed EVER.
How true that is in many cases.

The true mark of adulthood is complete and utter self-reliance/dependence. Once you can say, "I don't need God, I can do it all by myself" you can run into other people's dialogue with each other and shout about how you've become enlightened on the futility of their efforts, while you commend yourself about learning how not to do that very thing.

Christianity is the only message that doesn't require you to EARN your salvation. Salvation is God's gift to us, it doesn't cost us anything, we can't earn it, we don't deserve it and yet, it is freely ours if we choose to accept it. No other system of belief operates that way, the few spin-off's that come in the name of Jesus all require something different.

Instead of challenging ME to do what ELIJAH and GOD already did, why don't you ask something I can work with, kind of like how you asked me to demonstrate that God exists.

To demonstrate that God exists, we have to agree on some things. The Bible is not humanity's thoughts about God... It claims to be the sole revelation of God to humanity.

The Bible claims that God is the creator of all the physical realm. EVERYTHING, so by proxy, it claims that He is outside of time, space, and sight.

How does something outside of time, space, and sight tell you that it exists. Well, the Bible claims that Jesus, fully God and fully man, came to the earth He created... Jesus claimed in the Bible to be equal to God, and was put to death by the Jews for those claims. The Bible also claims that Jesus died to pay the penalty for sin, "for the wages of sin is death". We look at the historical evidence of these claims and accept with the utmost certainty that it is true because of the fact that, regardless of all the hubbub, the Bible is the MOST AUTHENTICATED BOOK in ALL of humanity's history. If the Bible was wrong, it wouldn't still be standing up to all of the scrutiny, literally thousand's of years later.

No other work of antiquity that you can point to has been as thoroughly authenticated as the Bible. If the Bible isn't true, then neither is Plato, or Socrates, or the establishment of the United States of America. If the Bible isn't true, then we have a lot to throw out with it, that has been authenticated in the same manner, with less evidence.

I don't say any of this to stand above any of you, because I don't. I don't say you're all going to hell, I don't give you a "call to salvation" at the end of every rant, NO. I give you my opinion, and support my beliefs with the history that is there for anyone to see, so don't pull that same old worn out argument that twists what I am saying.

What the Bible says, flies in the face of the arguments that others pose, all I'm doing is agreeing with it. Arguing the authenticity of the Bible is stupid, because you then have to throw out literally everything else with it. You don't have to accept the free gift of God that the Bible revolve's around though.

https://www.exploregod.com/what-makes-christianity-different-from-other-religions
https://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html
http://www.kevinpendergrass.com/new-testament-textually-authenticated-document-antiquity/

Christianity is NOT synonymous, with morality in of itself, nor is morality (or "good behavior", as we know it) contingent on a belief in Judeo-Christian doctrine.

I also take umbrage with the sanctimonious bunch, who tout the "born with sin" BS, or try to sell the need to be "born again".

The aforementioned philosophies are nothing more than the egotistical excrement from the behind of this slavish religion. My Nature, though far from perfect, has 2-300,000 years of evolution behind it's core design, and not a single cell within my body is concerned with the contrivances of a 2,000 year old bastardized brand of superstition.

I was born ok the first time, and have done quite well for myself -- innate "sinful" faculties, and all.

My intentions weren't to lure our wayward friend "Nate" down the religious rabbit hole, rather spotlight the absurd notion that throwing a Bible at every impressionable child, is the fix-all remedy for all the world's ills.

Here is another article that may not impress anyone, they may not read it, they may not accept what it says, just like you don't accept what the Bible says, and that's fine. Then again, they may read it and realize how short your argument comes to defending your position.

All I'm saying is that you aren't arguing with me anymore, now your fight is that the MOST WIDELY AUTHENTICATED WORK OF ANTIQUITY IN ALL OF HUMANITY, couldn't possibly be accurate. Just let that simmer in the minds of anyone who reads this.

You borrow your morality from God.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1441-new-testament-compared-to-classical-literature-the

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rPCIooYmgM

(1) I think you meant to type, "in and of itself".

(2) If neither you, nor anyone else can be held eternally responsible for how they behave on the earth, why is it of the utmost importance for you to take umbrage to the message of the Bible. You seem to get vastly annoyed with it at the very least, and are most definitely, and irrefutably fighting against, what you claim isn't even there. How do you combat something that doesn't exist?

I have a feeling there are a few people on this forum who REALLY want to protect their "way or life":[ not sure really what that may consist of but something for sure has them afraid of accepting what there is proof of all around us lol... I totally get it who wants to feel conviction for things they really love -pornography, lying, doing drugs, the list goes on but surely you can fill in the blank if I didn't mention it. Because you see you do know what it is that you do wrong even if you don't want to admit it secretly in your heart you know your a liar...;) dont you! Even if you cant even admit it out loud . Sadly:( there is all this fighting over prove it how about disprove it... Oh wait for it....... you CAN'T just like I cant "prove it" in a satisfying enough way for you unless that is your enough with yourself to put aside your pride and admit that the push back is because you really don't want to be held responsible for all your dirty little secrets:/... sound about right? Its OK everyone gets scared sadly some people never step out of that and take on their responsibility for the actions they have taken weather out of rebellion or fear and the will end up on the wrong side of judgement since as we know the Gospel had been presented but not accepted. Hey it breaks my heart but can't make someone see something if they wont open their eyes... I am truly saddened by what ever the little pleasure it is that these men hold onto so tightly that will eventually cause eternal suffering. Is it really worth it? So while we are on this subject it seems that Rita and Wacker both have something in common and ... ya'll have a burning for Nate hmm seems a bit weird maybe has something to do with truth..?Now before you get to huffy I know having a real man of God respond to your timid attempts of puffing yourselves up deflates your egos and surely it hurts..right am I onto something here? Come on you know its really starting to get to you . Why though if nothing really matters? and were all monkeys building bridges... hold on I had to get a laugh ok back to reality now. I read through a lot and I do mean a lot of the back and forth it has gone from both sides presenting and defending their beliefs of situations or people whatever the case all the way to the extreme of calling the cops out of fear over an imaginary situation that had to be a hard one to swallow Liares after you realized how bad you painted yourself to be... scared fool over literally a message ... no threats no other interaction or observation more than one glimpse in passing that had to be frightening! but hey you did try to laugh it off so maybe your foolishness would be overlooked... nope I think we all seen it how embarrassing. But enough about you and more about Jesus! Nobody's perfect but that is because we are born sinners not sure about y'all but I didn't need anyone to teach me to be bad as a child so poof proof? No hold on we have perfect upstanding people with self thought and taught morals whom I dispute this point to so I will not bother to waste anymore time since we all know I surely can't fix perfection...lol

Surely someone so intelligent can draw their own conclusions of whatever it is that keeps them in the dark... no one gossiping no one projecting no one being judgmental a good attempt to try to deflect from the actual problem a sad attempt but a good one! See the thing is I dont have to know or care to know what your dirty little secrets are because I dont have to answer for them but you can type away and pretend your not human maybe find comfort in thinking your not but in the end you are human you live with your sinful nature and it eats you up to know what your doing is wrong because like I said who wants to give up something they enjoy... I get it. So whatever vile things you and Lares do need not be publicized I dont imagine. Although you may reject what I have to say we all know the truth is you do something your not proud of we all have. After all why would it matter to you if you have no God to answer to someone is smoking crack or a porn addict a murderer why even comment or have any emotion about anything well you know why it matters just like anyone else does the only difference is some of us have enough courage to admit it and not try to pretend we are perfect or space dust or monkeys or whatever to escape that nagging voice telling is its wrong! Sorry if this upsets you or anyone else God doesnt solve your problems but He can improve your thinking your empathy your compassion your kindness your patience humility gentleness you know that list is pretty long because there is so much He can offer in a fallen world but not once did He offer to make our lives perfect but through His perfection he offered salvation . "An important distinction : its one thing to admit to missing the mark and falling short of the goal but it is quite another to deny the struggle or pretend we are winning when we are not. That is the distinction between an honest sinner struggling to become more like God and a hypocrite who refuses to come clean and acknowledge his or her own flaws"mark middleburg he sure knows how to hit that nail on the head although you may refuse to admit that lol It really does sadden me to think that people are so far out there in their sin they would refuse to repent and live a good life and by good let me clarify so you dont think Christian's feel they wont get cancer or be in an accident whatever it is people believe about that bad things still happen its just how we are able to handle them that is different a good life that puts you last and others first. I know that isn't for everyone but God is patient and loves us flaws and all. So think about it. Hopefully your understanding will change and if not at this point it's your choice to live in a bed of lies and pretend you dont matter to the creator of the universe because He makes it clear to you every breath you take how patient ,forgiving ,and loving He really is. It is not you I am against it is your ideas there is only one truth anything outside it is false and who sees a person running towards a bridge out and does not try to stop them before they fall? so I get it I had to get to the point where I accepted the gospel and that wasn't from doing things right.

"..man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck." - Thomas Jefferson

That's a hell of a steaming pile you've laid there, Brit. I'll attempt to address your dissociative, run-on drivel, one turd at a time.

1. "Brit" takes issue with the "things WE really love -- pornography, lying, doing drugs" ! Assuming she's in possession of a video of us snorting rails off of an X-rated DVD cover, while exchanging tales of our superhuman feats, she's still simply yet another delusional automaton tossing out blind assumptions, asserting that without Jesus and his handbook of ''thou shalts", we're (of course) destined for a life, knee deep in depravity and dishonesty. Brit's one of Jesus' special, favored little pets, and we're not. Allow me a minute to recover from the shame I feel...

2. We've "done wrong, and won't admit it", Rita. Which wrongs, we'll never know. Maybe Brit's taken a page from ol' Nate's handbook, and has been creeping around the shadows with her judgmental glare upon us. Perhaps she DOES know about the coke and the porn and the...well, anyway, we'd only LIE about it, so what's the use in denying it, right?

3. Brit claims that her lack of demonstrable proof that her imaginary buddies are real, is indicative of one's refusal to feel accountable to them. Well, Brit, If I felt the slightest obligation to pay reverence to your delusions, I'd have to question my accountability to myself, and then my sanity.

4. We "have a burning for Nate", Rita. I'll try to curb my Atheism, lest I come off as ''huffy''.

5. Brit, I'll have you know that Nate is absolutely harmless to most grown men of moderately good physical health, however he took it upon himself to attempt a bit of feigned bravado, by letting me know he's been peering at me and my family in public, knows what vehicle I drive, and did so against the policies of the organization in question, by regurgitating a plethora of personal information which made the mother of my child uncomfortable. See, that type of behavior is the convict side of him. Now, his reluctance to confront the (male) individual who's gotten under his thin skin for so long, well there's a word for that kind of spineless dolt, however his actions have shouted that word louder than I could ever emphasize, here in print.

6. "No one taught you to be bad as a child so poof proof". What eloquence. Well, someone surely took some time to indoctrinate you into a judgmental, holier-than-thou shadow of a human being, and for that you have my condolences.

If you don't like the way you and your buddy are batted around when the need to proselytize tickles your naughty bits, then try to avoid the subject matter. If you can't help yourselves and get offended in the process, just do the Christian thing, turn the other asscheek and forgive us.

"Can't we all just get along?' You guys need a chill pill.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvhGsEsVda4

God made the outer space that it is visible from... There is no credence to the legend though. No monkey bones found in buried camps around the area stating that they worked on a bridge for Hanuman. Archaeology regularly gives further credence to the Bible, are you requesting some?

Here, let's play this game, I'll give you an archaeological find that supports the Bible, and you give me one that supports the writings found in Hinduism, and we'll see who runs out of archaeological evidence first.

Ready, set, GO! THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS.

Your turn.

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/learn-about-the-scrolls/historical-background

https://thewire.in/media/post-truth-take-ram-setu

You want me to demonstrate the existance of God, go... outside tonight... and... *whisper tone, LOOK UP!

Of course everyone knows Christians tell better jokes. I'd like to see some proof. Pleeeeeze.....

How cute "you win by default" lol after reading your "garble" I conclude the same as everyone else reading and laughing at your reply, you have no answers. Something that you so demandingly expect from Nate.... kinda funny you come up with nothing but rambling about monkeys and Mormons. Are you running out of steam or maybe ideas of how to try to deflect from questions asked? Since it seems very clear any time a direct question is asked of you well your responses are built upon "false premises, shaky reasoning, and armed with your own faulty interpretations and garbled writing " couldn't have said that better myself Thanks Rita! You have projected your " lack of understanding of historical documentation" again wrote by none other that yourself. You see what we all take out of your jumpy writing is you have no answers either so you jump from one thing to another trying to get off track pretty sure Nate had asked some basic questions and if you have evidence that your view that is the "right" view- is the correct view on life , how the world was made , dna ah whatever it may be please SPILL!.. anxiously waiting for this proof.... I along with so many others in this world would love nothing more than to hear the "PROOF" you seem to be keeping hidden away from the world. Of course we know you cant answer these questions posed to you by Nate because you have nothing to back it up other than theory and nothing to prove the Bible is not what is says it is other than your "garble" lol so deflection and nonsense is the best you can do....? I find this amusing to say the least. I mean after all what can you do ?Angrily type away at me talk about my lack of writing skills my sanity my beliefs my sins ...well you know just make it about me rather than actually coming up with any reasonable answers to anything ... oh please don't .... you may hurt my little fragile Christian feelings... ;) you see I know why you lash out and it happens to be the same reason anyone fighting the truth does .... do we both know what I'm talking about? of course we do! its out of fear I mean really who wants to admit they were wrong unless the are offered forgiveness? or a second chance to get it right? I get it when I'm in the wrong and faced with the truth that I've been living in sin I get scared too just like you but that is when I take that opportunity to ask my savior Jesus Christ to forgive me and guide me so that I may handle the next situation more patiently or compassionately. Surely you don't enjoy making yourself out to look like a fool nobody does but with gentleness I can tell you that is what you do here. So maybe one of these days you will consider the love and thought that has been put into batting down all of your nonsense ideas so that you may discover the truth. Just like me you are loved by the creator of the universe you are loved by God its just up to you to take the blinders off see it and accept it!

If you aren't going to talk about these area's of the universe around us, maybe you shouldn't enter into debate about these thing's...