It’ll be up to the voters. A recent decision by city council will again place the contested elected versus appointed police chief issue on the November ballot. But there's a catch: Should the voters elect to move to an appointed system, a council decision has already anointed sitting chief Tim Vasquez as the first appointee to a lifetime term.
The City of San Angelo is the last municipality left in Texas that elects, rather than has the city manager or council appoint, a police chief.
On Aug. 4, Charter Review Committee chairman Trinidad Aguirre brought a list of proposed changes before the council for review. Proposition 11, which seeks to amend Section 60 of the City Charter, would delete residency requirements and open up the police chief position to qualified applicants nationwide if the voters elect to move from an elected to an appointed chief system.
During their discussions of the proposed amendment, all present members voted in favor of placing the item on the ballot, with the exception of Mayor Dwain Morrison and council member Johnny Silvas, who was not present.
“I’d like to pull that one (from the ballot),” Morrison said. “It’s been voted on 14 times; the citizens have been voting on this since 1943. I would like to pull this one off.”
During a subsequent interview, the mayor cited abuse of power at the hands of the mayor and the city manager as the reason citizens ousted the appointed system. The city charter was established in 1915, he said, and included an appointed chief. In the 25+ years after the charter was established, dozens of police chiefs held office, Morrison said, until the public got fed up and took the matter into their own hands.
“I went back and did the research—and it’s been four years since I’ve done it—but every time we’d get a new mayor, we’d get a new police chief,” Morrison said. “The last problem we had was back in the early ‘40s and we had a police chief by the name of Otis Reed. And he was a very popular chief.
When election time rolled around, Morrison said, a new mayor was elected and he “got in cross” with Otis Reed. That mayor called Reed into his office and fired him and all his administrators on the spot, Morrison said.
“If I remember correctly, they put a motorcycle officer that had just been on the force for a couple of months and made him chief of police,” Morrison stated. “And the people absolutely rebelled because Otis Reed was very popular, he did his job, I mean, he was a policeman.
When the mayor fired Reed, the public revolted, Morrison said.
“They went to the city council, and they said, ‘put this on the election; we want to elect,’ and the city council refused,” he continued. “So they got a petition up and got the required amount of signatures, and they forced the city council to put it up for election. When it was forced, they overwhelmingly said that from now on, they would elect their chiefs in the city of San Angelo, that it would not be an appointed position.”
The mayor mentioned a portion of the history in the Aug. 4 meeting, but the council quickly overrode him.
Noting a change in the population and the narrow margin between those for and against the appointed system, as voiced in several public meetings of the Charter Review Committee, council members Rodney Fleming, Elizabeth Grindstaff, Marty Self, Charlotte Farmer and Lucy Gonzalez all expressed a desire to hand the decision to the voters once more.
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Above: San Angelo Police Chief Tim Vasquez. (SAPD photo)
But they also added a caveat: If voters choose to move to an appointed police chief system, incumbent Chief Tim Vasquez will default to the position at the end of his elected term in May. That appointment, council discussed, would be for an unlimited term.
“There is no term limit on the chief,” Farmer explained in an Aug. 25 interview. “An appointment would be just like the fire chief, any of those (director positions). “They’re appointed and they have their job forever unless they mess up. The police chief would just report to the city manager; the city manager reports to the council.”
At the meeting, councilwoman Elizabeth Grindstaff said she’d always assumed that if the city moved toward an appointed chief that Vasquez would be the first to assume the role anyway, and said she believes he’s the best man for the job.
“I’m not sure if that’s the language that’s necessary here, but that would maybe be an addition that I would like to make to this…” she said, proposing that Vasquez’s selection as the first appointee be added to the charter amendment. “…because…for the most people that are supportive of an appointment, I don’t think they see this or want it to be opened wide to the country; that they see Tim as being the most qualified police chief for San Angelo.”
Rodney Fleming agreed with Grindstaff in an interview conducted on Aug. 25, stating that he would prefer to keep someone local in the position. That assumption on behalf of the public, however, is somewhat at odds with what Aguirre named as the primary reason for wanting to move to an appointed chief by proponents of the change in public meetings.
“There were several factors,” Aguirre said in an interview on Aug. 26. “I guess the number one factor is that by going to an appointed police chief, the selection criteria…is much greater and much more in depth than for an elected police chief.”
Aguirre noted that currently, under the elected system, the conditions for running for the position require only that the applicant have been a San Angelo resident for the past two years and that the winner pass a qualification test. The election process also “creates turmoil within the ranks of the police department” that could have “ramifications” and “cause animosity down the line,” Aguirre said.
“From an appointed position, what we do is we follow the normal processes for identifying someone of that nature—a police chief—we’ll take a look at his administrative skills, we’ll take a look at his police skills, we’ll take a look at his financial skills: So there will be a large criteria established of those individuals that wish to run that they must meet,” he said.
Aguirre said that in the past, the average number of individuals that run for the police chief position range between 2-3 to 6-7, a rather shallow pool. He acknowledged that with the relatively scant number of candidates under the current elected system, more stringent requirements could make the local pool even smaller, but also noted that the applicant pool would likely deepen if opened up to qualified personnel beyond the city limits.
“In a lot of cases, people will put in their name to be police chief [but] they’re not qualified to be there, but they have the right to put in their applications,” Aguirre said.
Noting job posting and vetting requirements should Vasquez retire from the appointed position, he added, “If you take a look at the number of assistant police chiefs across the state—and really, across the nation because we can’t limit it—you could get some very good assistant police chiefs that would want to come into San Angelo to become a police chief. I would not state that the quantity would be less; I think it would at least be equal or more…”
At the Aug. 4 council meeting, Aguirre confirmed the proposed addition of naming Vasquez as the first appointee with council. The floor was then opened up for public comment.
Present at the meeting, Vasquez voiced his support of the change, but asked for clarification on the hiring and firing processes that govern appointed positions. The proposed amended language of the city charter states that “the Chief of Police shall be appointed by the City Manager subject to the approval of City Council…”
“One thing that I would throw out for consideration is that also the ‘unappointment,’ as you would say, is confirmed by council as well,” Vasquez proposed. “Is that also in the wording? Obviously there’s always the distrust of having local government—government period, in general…I think that…If our citizens felt there was a council member or someone [who] were upset with the Chief [the Chief] could be fired. I would think that…there would be some type of protection.”
Chief Vasquez argued that by virtue of confirmation, the council is a part of the hiring process. He pointed out that the council is not required to confirm anyone and referenced previous language that had suggested a supermajority by council to remove the city manager. That language, council confirmed, has been removed.
“You better vote with me, Chief,” the mayor quipped as further discussion followed.
In an effort to clarify, City Manager Daniel Valenzuela stated that when he makes the decision to terminate a director, he brings that decision to council as a courtesy and intends to keep doing so should the city move to an appointed chief system.
In later interviews, many council members cited different interpretations about how directors are terminated. Council members Charlotte Farmer, Rodney Fleming and the Mayor agreed that the council must be involved, while Grindstaff dissented.
“The way it is written—to protect the police chief—the city manager would have to bring it to council. It’s the same with the fire chief. That is too important a job because it is safety oriented,” Farmer said. “If the city manager wanted to get rid of him, he could make his recommendation to the council, but it would take four votes.”
Grindstaff, however, disagreed. “Charlotte has a different view of the charter than I do,” she said, adding that she perceives the responsibility to lie with the city manager. She extended this to the hiring, stating that the council shouldn’t be involved at all and pondering why the language was not removed or discussed in the charter review meetings.
Chiming in on the matter as discussed in the Aug. 4 council meeting, Vasquez proposed eliminating the language altogether, to include the requirement that the council confirm or approve the appointment of a police chief.
“I think by having the confirmation put at the council’s feet that if I was politically savvy and I wanted to get this job, I might come to every one of you and try to get you to confirm me or do whatever I need you to do,” Vasquez said. “I think that the city manager is a professional position, educated; we pay him a good salary to make those kinds of decisions. And you have the authority to hire and fire him, but the city manager should have that authority. And this ‘subject to approval by City Council,’ whether it’s me or other department heads, does not allow him to do that.”
Having heard the arguments for and against a complete removal of council involvement, the mayor asked if any members were in favor. All of those present, with the exception of Grindstaff, responded with, “no”.
Before the matter was closed for a decision, a lone citizen, John Bariou, approached the podium to provide input.
“…as with as with any management of a corporation, it’s good to have two echelons of protection in any personnel structure.,” Bariou said. “The appointment by the city manager of an individual may be competent or partial [and] needs to have a committee—the council—to verify that appointment is pure, is good business practice. It is not as much intended…to politicize it, as to make sure that the best person is put in. If a city manager…were to bring in a crony, this would be our only opportunity as a city to stop that sort of action. To give the city manager sole discretion on that is basically giving him total control of the city.”
Bariou concluded by saying that as a citizen, he favors keeping a second check and balance in place when it comes to appointed positions.
At the end of the meeting, the mayor confirmed the members were in agreement on the action to be taken as presented at the beginning of the discussion, electing to put the item on the November ballot and letting the voters decide whether they want an appointed or an elected police chief. Included in that agreement was a direction to City Attorney Theresa James to work out the language that names Tim Vasquez as the first appointee. Only the mayor dissented.
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No City employee is guaranteed a job for life. That would be true of an appointed police chief, just as it's true for the fire chief, water utilities director, city attorney, heavy equipment operator, administrative assistant, parks worker, etc.
Anthony Wilson, public information officer, City of San Angelo
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PermalinkSounds more like a sentence than an appointment. I guess all of us full-time employees have positions for life unless we quit, get promoted, retire, or get fired by their logic. I'm hoping I don't have my position for life as I don't care to die before retirement.
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PermalinkAfter the debacle with garbage service and the spending of $90,000 for a study to tell us 95% of the streets in San Angelo need to have extensive work, the City Council has now come up with a ploy to take away citizens' opportunity to select their police chief. Me? I don't trust them. I do not want any city manager or "select group" of citizens being able to fire a police chief. We've seen this all too often, not only across the country, but in Texas.
So what that we are the only city to elect a chief. Doesn't mean that's wrong. I'm sick of hearing, "Well, Midland does this" or "Abilene does that". We aren't Midland, Odessa or Abilene. Thank goodness for that. If you like the way other cities do things, move to other cities, you won't be missed.
I always suspect that when this "appointed vs. elected" vote request/demand comes up every few years, the instigator probably has a problem with the current police chief or law enforcement, in general, to some extent. We've elected "not so good" police chiefs before...they didn't last very long. One very enthusiastic elected chief turned out not to be effective at all, and resigned before his first term was complete. Good riddance!
I don't trust the City Council and I'm not sure I'd trust the city manager to make decisions concerning policing and law enforcement in San Angelo. For some reason, when the pressure is on, non-law enforcement always second guess law enforcement. It is not necessarily true that there are "more qualified" people to be chief out there. They may have more credentials, but...CAN THEY PERORM? Or, will they simply be a pawn for the City Council.
We'd better think about this. If a life-time appointment of Tim Vasquez is decided, the it should be a "tenured" position, just like college professors. In other words, he can't be fired! He is in until he retires or leaves this earth.
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PermalinkPutting the sole discretion in the hands of a City Manager opens the door for corruption and the people will have no way of stopping it. Heck lets give lifetime appointments to the council too. They have proved capable time and time again on issues. Roads, water infrastructure, trash, zoning and litter to name a few. I'm sure the council has done their homework on this issue too.
Giving someone a lifetime appointment who has done such a wonderful job on crime is a great idea. Drugs and murder have drastically decreased under his watch. It is time for real leadership on the council that will focus on matters of developing San Angelo into a vibrant and growing economy. Sustained economic development will create jobs and naturally enhance our city. These are items that should be the focus of council, not giving a person a lifetime appointment because you think he is a good guy and deserves it. Your job is to represent our best interests not your own.
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PermalinkPutting the sole discretion in the hands of a City Manager opens the door for corruption and the people will have no way of stopping it. Heck lets give lifetime appointments to the council too. They have proved capable time and time again on issues. Roads, water infrastructure, trash, zoning and litter to name a few. I'm sure the council has done their homework on this issue too. Giving someone a lifetime appointment who has done such a wonderful job on crime. Drugs and murder have drastically decreased under his watch.
It is time for real leadership on the council that will focus on matters of developing San Angelo into a vibrant and growing economy. Sustained economic development will create jobs and naturally enhance our city. These are items that should be the focus of council not giving a person a lifetime appointment because you think he is a good guy and deserves it. Your job is to represent our best interests not your own.
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PermalinkThese booger eaters on the council have shown for years their lack of intelligence in trying to run a city. The latest incompetence they demonstrated to the citizens is how they bent everyone over on this trash fiasco. And then coming right after the first of 2016, every customer in this town will see their water bill going up at the very minimum of $25 or more per month. Additional increases over the next several years are planned as well... They think we are going to trust them to have the intelligence to dictate how they want a police department to operate ? ? ? Yeah right... put that back on the ballot for the 15th time and see what the citizens of this community say about that again you ignorant morons........
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PermalinkNo decisions have been made regarding water rates. A consultant recommended a phased-in increase that would have raised the average residential customer's water and sewer costs $10 per month. Both the City Council and the Water Advisory Board asked the consultant to rework his plan to lessen the first-year increase. That revised schedule should be presented to the Water Advisory Board next month.
Anthony Wilson
public information officer
City of San Angelo
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PermalinkAnthony your job is to do nothing but make the council look good by using double talk.
Our water rates will go up and they will go way up. Also save the bull about the first year increase. All that is saying is you will be adding a higher rate on the back end. Another way of saying what I have is don't wee on my leg and tell me it's raining
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PermalinkSpot on.
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PermalinkNo one has denied that water rates will increase. We've reported such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUOgvK4BKtI. This short video also explains what the proposed yearly increases would be.
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PermalinkIMO, our city counsel members are attempting to usurp power from their constituents.
Not just NO, but HELL NO.
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PermalinkSorry Anthony.. Maybe I let the cat out of the bag prematurely. You can take it to the bank though that if they're looking at it, they're going to do it.....
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PermalinkIdiotic. This is another of those times I'm glad I don't live there any more.
Again... idiotic.
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PermalinkIt is not true that San Angelo is the only city with an elected police chief. It may be the only larger city with one but it is not the only one. As a previous resident of the big city of Coleman, I know for a fact that the City of Coleman has an elected police chief. Maybe we ought to look into how many others there are. Maybe this is just another "fact" invented to get us to roll over on this issue.
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PermalinkI am not following the logic for this move to place more authority under the city manager/council? If the voters of San Angelo have done an excellent job with selecting the chief of police, (which is what the immediate appointment of Tim Vasquez says) then why change the selection process.
PS. It seems a little odd that this would happen in November just a few months before the next election for chief.
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PermalinkRecommend publishing credentials so the public can see the applicants qualifications. Also maybe do a survey of police officers within the department and get their feedback to measure the morale under current leadership - since they are the recipients of your decision and lastly do a back ground check on applicants financial status - don't want someone who can't manage there personal finances managing the cities police department budget. Final comment - new chief every 4-5 years eliminates stagnation and allows fresh eyes and energy which is often a plus.
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Permalinkstupid idea to me. the city council hasn't done a very good job with other things and we are supposed to trust them to pick the police chief? no thanks
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PermalinkI would go with the elected chief, responsible to the voters for his job performance. Appointed chief would be beholden to the mayor or the city council or the city manager - whoever did the hiring. That's fine if the council, mayor or manager are ethical and morally upright. However, we know that crooked, unethical and immoral politicians abound. Right?
I am remembering many years ago when the school district decided to expand its search nationwide for a school superintendent and hired a fellow from Detroit, Michigan. He robbed the district blind, was unethical and immoral. Seems like they had to pay him some stipend to get rid of him.
If the search is expanded nationwide there is a risk of getting someone in the position who has no understanding of the culture of the community. That person would have all kinds of problems with local contacts, the language (people talk different in different parts of our nation), and would be like a fish out of water.
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PermalinkAs a voter I can vote for a Sheriff, who it seems can run a department and a campaign; so I am to understand that City Council believes they are smarter than the average voter and would do better "if they had a hand" in the process!
E mail your council member or all of city council and see what answer you get! I did, one took the time to respond, and although I appreciate the time to answer and her position, I will respectfully disagree with it.
My parting thought is this; recent topics on council agenda have been trash and water rates - how is that working out for you San Angelo and do you think appointing a police chief will work out any better?
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PermalinkEvery time we turn around this council is considering measures to take the rights of the citizens of the city of San Angelo away. Last month it was the mandatory spay/neuter conversation. Before that, let's spend their money on a militarized vehicle we can use once a year, let's force higher trash rates by not researching the city's pickup service and hire a known corrupt company on a long term contract. This is just in the past 6 months, people.
Don't you know when incompetence is staring you in the face? There are two reasons why a council would want an appointed chief; they want the power to pick, or they don't trust you, the public to pick. Tim is a decent chief, but he should have to face the public he served every election cycle, just like the city council members do.
We have life-time appointed supreme court justices, and now the abuse of power in that court has resulted in creation of law (the job of congress) instead of interpretation of law (their job), which is why the violation of the Texas Constitution (in every country except Irion) is occurring against the voters' wishes with Same Sex Marriages.
If you want your government to make all your decisions for you, so you can sit idly by and watch them take control of every aspect of your life, vote for an appointed chief. If you want to keep our local law enforcement accountable to the public they serve, vote to keep what You already have...your right to self-govern...it really is that simple.
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Permalinkbut he's got music talent..........he should be appointed for life with full benefits, and also allowed to double dip his pension like Perry
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PermalinkThis comment is not to the point! Most people realize that this ploy is NOT to give Chief Vasquez the privilege of serving as chief, it's the City Councils way of making sure that after he leaves office, we'll now be treated to a police chief that those incompetents in the city feel they can appoint, a chief that will be beholding to their whims and fancies. Most people I know are completely satisfied with Chief Vasquez. Those that aren't, well I don't know what their agenda is, but I'd bet they have one. Most people disgruntled probably haven't ever dealt with the chief directly, they just have it in for some officer who they think "did them wrong". Most people see through this city ploy, but there are those out there who won't get their head out of the sand long enough to see it, but they darned sure are reaping the results of the city council's work on the garbage mess, aren't they?
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Permalinkthink about the cut in price in private party music service the chief could give city council members.....it is abou the music--they all sing the same tune....trust me
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PermalinkWhy do they want this so bad after it has been defeated every time its been brought up? Is it because its the only city department where they don't have total control over the budget and employees there? Is it because the Chief buys what he needs to run a professional department and he does not low bid everything? Is it because the Chief wont strong arm his Officers to give up civil service protection. maybe its to be able to make a chief punish his officers for not writing enough tickets to fill the city coffers? or maybe its to have a chief that will punish an officer who has to enforce the law on one of the cities elites or one of the cities government officers? They keep saying that they want appoint the current chief who they say has done a good job.... was he not a local who was elected? He had no qualifications, he was a dispatcher who took the police test because his dad was an Officer almost making it impossible that he would not be hired. They say they can find better qualified applicants from outside. Asked some the firemen who were here when a certain Chief was hired out of Houston and how well that went. People wake up why would you want to turn this over to the city leaders who have wasted tons of money, and have given you higher water rates and the recent trash calamity. Remember when they asked you to conserve water and then punished those who did because they had a water revenue shortfall? Look at you streets while they waste millions on an auditorium that is seldom used. And remember the city hall renovation while everyone waited for street repairs and water line repairs. Do you really trust this folks. In a time when the consensus is that government is getting too big and infringing on peoples rights are you willing to give up your right to vote and select your leaders? Think about this once you have given up that right remember that you may never be able to get it back. I for one will never give up my right to vote.
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