SAN ANGELO, TX-- If you enjoy a little spike to your eggnog or just need a little relaxing from family you better go to the liquor store before Christmas.
Texas state law prohibits the sale of liquor on Christmas Day and New Years Day. The law has been in place since 1979.
If you need alcohol in San Angelo travel to the southwest side of town. That is the only part of town where liquor sales are legal.
You can go to Pinkies two locations at 1415 Bryant Ave and 4239 Sherwood, WB Liquor is at 3315 Sherwood Way, Mardi Gras Liquor is at 2427 College Hills, and Lone Star Liquor is at 6510 US 67.
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Don't forget about Joe's Icehouse at 1424 W Beauregard.
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PermalinkIt's hard to believe that these morality based laws are still on the books, or at least the remnants of them. I did not know that liquor is only available on the SW side of town, or at least never noticed. Can anyone explain the peculiar reasoning behind that circumstance?
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PermalinkLike most legislated morality, you'll find countless reasons, but absolutely no logic -- meaning a lot of "because God said it ain't right!", but not many demonstrable examples of validity behind the morality in question.
The liquor law, like most useless moral tenets, changes absolutely nothing. They're just little pats on the back to appease sanctimonious herds.
There's not too much of a vocal opposition to this, but I'd bet all the flag waving 'murricans would take to the streets if we deprived them of booze, on let's say.....Ramadan.
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PermalinkNot everyone is an ethicist—or, for that matter, can handle their liquor, Lares.
No doubt, if there's a liquor law in place there was a reason it was put there. Whether that law is still reasonable is a good question. But human nature has its constants; its persistent patterns that we all tend to fall into, some destructive, some constructive. The value of some actions is very much subject to context whereas the value of others is deeply tied to those innate and visceral aspects of the human animal.
Biology, psychology, sociology, and maybe even philosophy and religion are, in my view, as inextricably interwoven as body and mind. Thus, I don't dismiss religious morality. If many populations have agreed that a thing is harmful, I tend to assume that this may be due to reasons that are not immediately apparent—similar to the advice given to us by elders.
That different populations may not live harmoniously under the exact same rules is also something that I, personally, acknowledge. No two individuals are exactly alike. How much less so any given grouping of them?
PS: 3 consecutive posts to this site from the illustrious Lares. You're on fire tonight.
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PermalinkCajun remarked that it was hard to believe that legislated morality laws still held weight, just as some of us today can't fathom why certain cultures thought they were influencing the sun's brilliance by spilling human blood, or blessing their crops by "pleasuring" themselves into the Nile.
Much of the (religious) nonsense we hear of today didn't come from some superhuman sage or elder with a spiritual connective equivalent of God's personal cellphone number. Much of it came from sheltered and moreoften than not, very ignorant people who just needed an explanation as to what made life tick. In respects to the "harmful" vices among us, Baptists believe that dancing is moving in rhythm with "the Devil", and Orthodox Jews prohibit public interaction between the sexes.
Most people with a pulse would agree that the aforementioned is BS, but point to a ''thou shalt" or preface some paraphrased archaic blather with "it's written …", and some simply can't resist.
Knowing the domino effect that stupidity has on certain people, tyrants and conmen alike throughout history have used that interwoven part of the human condition you mentioned to line their pockets and destroy and manipulate those who oppose their will -- but that's an entirely different discussion.
In respects to this topic, our government has essentially indoctrinated everyone into observing arbitrary man-made, days of homage to "God", irrespective of the possibility that Sunday might not hold any personal significance to me, or more importantly, that a private business owner may wish to choose his own operative hours, without Big Brother's help.
...and yeah, when I saw a few interesting posts poking out among the "your newspaper/commenting readership sucks" rants, I thought I'd drop in.
Merry Christmas Rita.
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PermalinkYou "dropped in," eh? I do remember hearing some murmurs in town about someone "flying in," though from the reactions of these people it wasn't clear whether it was simply someone of some influence, an archangel, or an officer of the solar warden in to regulate here on the zoo planet. I'm assuming you took a conventional aircraft.
Personally, if I had aspirations to be either a tyrant or a con, I would have taken up a religion with more legal protections. Preferably something that was much more popular, steadily growing, and which allowed me an excuse to indulge my appetites while framing my whims as those of "God." Actually, if I'd just been looking for a steady paycheck from it, I would have just gone with the mainstream and opened a ministry. Instead, I decided that my money should come from something else and I chose what I believed would make the most positive historical impact. No good deed goes unpunished, it seems. Just look at a cross.
I'd also like to note that my once anonymous rants from so many years ago (does anyone still remember that?) were aimed at the general population of the area and the local dynamic, not the site.
PS: Yes, I know what Cajun remarked. I also know how the locals drink. And drive. Lord help us all.
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PermalinkRunning a ministry is a great racket, and I can't say I've never pondered getting into it myself. I can B.S. with the best of them. My brother was called out to work near Pastor John Hagee's mansion in San Antonio, and snapped a photo. To call it "impressive" wouldn't be doing it justice! The man knows how to live.
I'm a huge fan of the "hellfire and brimstone" type preachers, standing up there in their designer suits hyperventilating and flattering me by screaming about what a sinner I am, Hagee is one of those. If your not familiar with Hagee and his work, I'd highly recommend youtubing him sometime.
I find his subject matter ridiculous, naturally, but I can appreciate his drive and passion for fleecing hopelessly stupid adults out of their money. "Mega churches", indeed. I wonder what would Jesus say.
In regards to the snarky comments I noticed, it wasn't directed at you, rather the passengers here who want to tell the captain and crew how to fly, or those who simply want to complain about other passengers, rather than just enjoy the flight.
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PermalinkThey say fire can be our best friend or our worst enemy. The same passion and perception into human nature needed to be a master con is also needed to be someone who can make a positive impact. The same discernment needed to see the flaws of others and help them can be used to exploit them. The same ability to move others in unison towards a collective good can be used to manipulate them for personal gain. What constitutes a positive impact is always up for debate. Satanist Anton LaVey believed that fulfilling the desires is something good and that stupidity is a sin, for example.
To "sin," a word which originally meant to "miss the mark," make a mistake or an error, doesn't sound like a very bright thing to do. To the extent that it implies breaking a rule, I suppose some might find that very satisfying. A careful reading of the Bible reveals that the devil and the putative rule maker like to hang out and make bets on people's lives. As Job is sitting in his local landfill, an unwitting victim of Jehovah's bet with Satan, Big J appears before Job to essentially punk him out, reminding Job that He is the Almighty and will do what he wants to whoever he wants. ...I can sympathize with rule breakers.
For those who believe in a natural order of the cosmos that also governs morality, it's a bit different. It might be a "sin" to leave doggie doo on your neighbor's porch since it could invite retribution or habituate one to making assinine provocations that eventually get one into trouble. To those just worried about a rule maker, it might not matter—unless the rule maker forbids it or your neighbor is omniscient. Still, there are always those who are amoral, not convinced of any connection between one's intentions, actions, and their results. Might is right, and if the peasants don't like biting the curb and eating cake, let them revolt! If they can. The arc of justice can be so long that some are confident that it leads nowhere. There are many things about this life that support their position. I'm in no position to argue. We're all placing bets when it comes to the afterlife.
Hagee is nowhere as entertaining as Jack Van Impe and can't even approach Fred Phelps. Hagee's opulent lifestyle, though, is "interesting." How he reconciles the words of Jesus with being so wealthy is curious. How his followers manage to do so is also curious. What that could all mean is "interesting." I'll refrain from drawing a conclusion here.
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PermalinkLaVey was many things, foremost a great showman. He recalled being an organist in a cabaret during his youth, seeing wild-eyed men drinking it up, and lusting after the dancers. On Sunday, during Anton's shift, working for the tent-show evangelists, there would be some of the same men, wives and children in tow, playing up the pious family man role.
I believe Hagee knows very well who he is, and what he's out to accomplish, and he, along with countless others are absolutely great at it. He would definitely consider his manipulative practices (at least in public) to be for the greater good -- HIS "positive impact". LaVey would've certainly questioned the intelligence of the congregation, yet, more than likely determined that Hagee and herd were a perfect match: a dumbed down public getting just what they deserved, as a smarter, more capable individual utilizes their ignorance for his own personal gain. Predator and prey -- a playing field where "sin" simply does not exist.
"Sin" or "Evil", stripped of all it's relative religious connotations and decor, can simply be defined as being something one doesn't like, or find virtuous. Sin is one of those ambiguous piles of goo that people throw around, whenever possible, to see if and where it will stick. The fears and prejudices of the people take the wheel from there, until a smarter or indifferent generation renders the sin harmless or worthwhile.
While I might not see the doggy doo thing to be a sin, and could rattle off a handful of people who I believe surely deserve a porch full of dog shit, I don't prepare these little housewarming gifts because it's not advantageous to me. LaVey compared such behavior to those who pull wings off butterflies, just to feel naughty: where is the payoff? Sinning, for the sake of being seen as a "sinner" accomplishes nothing. I experience a face-palm moment, every time I see a dollar store version of Marilyn Manson, who assumes that substance abuse, gesticulating "devil horns" and "Death Metal" are his tickets to sitting at the right hoof of "Satan".
When discussing and debating the concept of "sin", there's always a few who want to equate sexual freedom or various forms of indulgence with (of course) an extreme, like murder or child molestation, for example. "Sin IS sin, afterall!". Lavey had his finger on the pulse of this type of mentality, and did well to make STUPIDITY number one on the list of "Satanic Sins".
I'll have to check out Van Impe, though good ol' "God hates fags" Phelps I'm quite familiar with, as well as his family of up and coming sideshows.
"Brother Stair", of Overcomer Ministries was a hoot also, before he got arrested (again) for sexual misconduct. In his sermons, he calls upon his listeners to "offer everything to God" (sign over all your property and monetary holdings to ME) and move to my compound in N.C.." The late rapper Craig Mack was one of his members.
The congregation/pastor relationship is like that old TV show, Candid Camera, where most of the viewers know the marks are being duped, only when the cameras close in and Alan Funt appears, the oblivious marks remain faithful to the prank.
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PermalinkIt's not just San Angelo that isn't kind to "alternative religions." Most Americans have varying tolerance levels. Anyone too far off of the reservation is going to be a target for scrutiny. Building a compound is generally not acceptable. Like what happened with Bill Cosby's criticism of Hollywood and various left and liberal movements, indiscretions that would otherwise be overlooked are likely to be exposed, blown out of proportion and exaggerated, or possibly even fabricated once an individual steps too far out of line. Meanwhile, the cabaret goes on.
And yes, some people do enjoy "pulling wings off of butterflies." Those people are often psychopaths.
Maybe it's an existential choice, but I like RR/ZZ's idea of the shepherd tending a flock. Preying on others seems like it would have profoundly negative consequences for society and, eventually, for the predatory person. You'll have to lay on some deeper Sith knowledge if you mean to bring me around on that point.
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PermalinkDespite what I think of the #metoo gaggle, it was quite enjoyable watching Cosby be brought to his knees.
For decades he shook his finger at rappers and comedians, over the use of four letter words, and would go into seemingly endless rants about how Rap music and it's influence was "bringing down the Black community".
While he'd indeed sometimes touch on some poignant issues, they'd get buried under his diatribes of entertainers, who for all intents and purposes, left the street life in their attempt to climb up that same ladder towards success he did, 50 years ago.
Enter 2018, Rap music is one of, if not THE biggest money makers in entertainment. For better or worse, it's influence is everywhere, and Bill, well...is just an old rapist.
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PermalinkWhat Cosby opposed could all be seen as signs of gradual decadence, but he paid dearly for his opposition to it. I suppose there's a time to just stop fighting the tide. Whether one should contribute to it is an entirely different matter.
Cosby apparently would have been better off keeping his mouth shut and going along to get along. Being an active participant in something atrocious, like George Soros was in his youth, is an altogether different matter. But he's wealthy. That's all that matters to more and more as time passes, I suppose.
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PermalinkTo Cajun Texan, in the olden days when I grew up there, there was no legal liquor-by-the drink and no liquor stores could operate within 5 miles of the city limit. There were 4 stores at Arden road and 2288 and 2 on Hwy 87 between half way to Grape Creek. I think the current restriction was a compromise to the more affluent voters on the southwest side to allow sales in the city limits and economic benefits to that side of town.
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PermalinkFor that explanation. I lived in Sonora during the early 70's, and I remember a liquor store somewhere between Christoval and Eldorado, I think. It was on the west side of the highway and last time I went that way the building was still standing.
Similarly, Abilene had the little community of Impact, right on the outskirts, that was nothing more than a strip mall of liquor stores.
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PermalinkI didn't have health issues I would likely drink more than I do sonsidering the state of the world.
Merry Christmas!
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PermalinkSpeaking of Soros, Lares, what is your opinion of this incredibly wealthy and powerful philanthropist who survived WWII by disguising his Jewish heritage to fight with the Nazis and then build his unprecedented fortune through the ruthless acquisition of wealth?
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PermalinkI don't know much about Soros, but his situation you described in brief is an example of the 'predator vs prey' dynamic. When faced with life or death situations, one's allegiance to this tribe or adherence to that moral suddenly doesn't seem that significant. You eat or get eaten, and with any luck, secure a position on the winning team.
True altruism is rare, and even the most giving, selfless do-gooders have their own ulterior motives, be they pats on the back or simply a momentary feeling of self importance or ego gratification: "the world NEEDS ME."
History is rife with examples of man's insatiable need to acquire more, even if some of those conquests bore the bloodstains of the underdog, or came at the cost of immeasurable numbers of innocent lives. Is this a fact we celebrate, or scowl at with feigned indignation? I suppose it all depends if we're discussing the colonization of the Americas, or the rise of the Third Reich.
You brought up "Might Is Right". I wasn't sure if you were referring to the Ragnar Redbeard publication, but there is a passage in the book which best describes the influence of the "moral" and man's relation to it's necessity:
"moral principles, therefore, are the servitors, not the masters of the strong. Power made moral codes, and Power abrogates them. - R. Readbeard
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PermalinkI honestly wasn't referencing the R. Redbeard work you mentioned and if I read through it at some point, the reference doesn't jog my memory. Additionally, I'm not sure whether you can tell, but I've been grasping a bit in the conversation. Part of it is lack of knowledge and part of it is, no offense intended, a diminishing interest in the subject matter. Also, as of the last few months I've developed some painful physical symptoms that haven't subsided and which make it difficult to focus.
I suppose I have no counter-argument for you, Lares, nor any substantive rebuttal which could be in the least bit interesting. I frankly don't have much to offer, in general and as a person, and I suppose that if I'd been a native during the American expansion I'd have died by the rifle, and if I'd been a target during the Holocaust, I likely would have been removed early on. For that matter, I don't have even a single talent to offer a winning side. I'm just a straggling wolf at the end of the pack. (I think some humble scholar I know actually used the word "detritus" at one point.)
If you would deign to offer some advice to one in such a wretched state, and it pleases you to do so, then I would certainly consider its content. Otherwise, we may have come to an implacable impasse stemming from my inability to understand the premises of your arguments and perspective.
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PermalinkI, too am guilty of "grasping", I suppose. It's conversation for the sake of "shootin' the bull", as some say. What was this thread originally about anyway?
Here's to Bill Cosby, morality, Modern Satanism and booze!
Sincerely though, be well Rita, and have a great, or better 2019.
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Permalinkyou people either lay that bong down full of that Colorado hydro or pass it around.
Or did they bring back acid and mescaline.
Yeah that's more like it.
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