Some ASU Students Say Bachelor Program a Failure

 

According to a report from Angelo State University, graduate enrollment has risen by 12.5 percent within the past year. In contrast, undergraduate enrollment for this fall was down by 7.6 percent.

Some students are saying that they don’t think their undergraduate work at ASU has prepared them adequately for their future careers.

“I personally don’t think I could just jump into my field now,” Marie Rios*, a recent graduate of the Social Work Department said of how her education has prepared her.

Rios is now participating in ASU’s collaborative program with the University of Texas Arlington, in order to receive a Master of Science in Social Work degree.  

She said that she is seeking to receive a graduate degree in order to compensate for what she didn’t learn as an undergrad student.

Whitney James*, a senior majoring in Communications with a concentration in Radio/Television/Film said, “I feel that the classes are too lecture-based and could be more in depth in order to have less book knowledge and more hands-on experience.”

James intends to work in radio after graduation, however courses in this field are not offered.

“I was confused when I declared my major and could not find any radio based courses. Something should be offered, after all the concentration is called Radio/Television/Film,” James said.

Upon graduation, James will have no classroom experience in radio, despite her degree specializing in this field.

James said, “I’m going to have a hard time explaining my resume. It will read ‘concentration in Radio and Television’, yet I won’t have a higher-level education on this subject matter.”

She explained that the other areas of the concentration do offer classes but are sparse.

“I think because we only have one professor for this field, we are constrained,” James said.

She has taken a total of two classes, the total that is offered, in the film facet of her concentration and only one in the field of television.

“When I graduate, the three classes I took will not have even provided me enough material to show future employers what I have learned as a student,” James said, adding, “Had that [television and film] even been what I wanted to get into.”

She said, “What I have learned has been informative, but I could have easily bought the book and taught myself.”

Due to her schedule and financial needs James was unable to participate in the Ram Radio program, an internship with the university radio station.

“Staying on the Dean’s List and keeping up with rent is difficult. Adding free labor to the list was not an option for me,” James said.

Rios also stated that she wished there had been more experience-oriented learning opportunities offered in the Social Work Department.

She said, “Internships should be made required in all degree plans.”

Rios expressed, “It seems we need more hands on experience versus just listening and learning an ideal.”

Rios chose to come to ASU based on the Carr scholarship she was offered. She said, “Even with a scholarship or not I think students should be able to receive the education they need with professors doing their job right.”

Michael Fuentes*, an Art student majoring in Graphic Design, said his coursework has helped him improve his skills in design and software. However Fuentes said, “Even though this is my last semester, I have a lot to learn.”

He said, “Most of what I’ve learned, I learned from my classmates and my internship.”

Fuentes said he feels that only “some of the” art professors are qualified to be teaching at the university level.

James said “The graduate student enrollment at ASU is probably rising simply because we just aren’t getting what we need in our undergrad studies. Undergrad enrollment is decreasing--who wants to go to a school that can’t offer what you pay for?”

ASU responded to this article here.

*Names have been changed in order to conceal the identity of the contributing student. 

 

 

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An undergraduate degree seldom give you all the skills needed in a profession. It does indicate to a potential employer you have some baseline knowledge. Most important to me as an employer, it shows you are capable of learning and jumping through the hoops (both academic and personal) needed to accomplish something--earn an undergraduate degree. Give me someone with such demonstrated skills, and we will teach you how to do the jobs needed and how we do them. BTW, my business is in the field of radio/television/film/print communications.

So pleased to get your spin on the jobs, Gus. Especially pleased that you'll assist recent graduates in continuing to 'jump through hoops' to get things done. I do so admire your desire to teach.

I just graduated from the Social Work Program in May. While I worked on my degree I also had a job in the social work field. Being in the field while in school tied everything together. It is not up to the professors to hold your hand the whole time. Show some initiative, go out and volunteer if you are having trouble finding a job in the field. Volunteerism is the spirit of social work and is very beneficial personally and professionally. My field education experience was not the best but I didn't blame my professors for the poor experience. The instructors of the social work program are very qualified and prepare the students as best they can. If you did not like the bachelor level program why continue your education at the masters level if you are so unhappy? I don't know what your situation was like but I disagree with you 100% and feel that all the professors prepared me for what they could. The rest was up to me.
When I started at Tech 20+ years ago, I majored in radio for 2 semesters at which point I realized that the only thing you learn is history and not actual skills in broadcasting. To this day, I still don't understand why a college offers a class in radio when they teach you nothing about the equipment or what radio really is....SPEAKING. I work at a station now and it's still the same now as it was when I started 20 years ago: if you have no experience, you start at the ground floor and work your way up. Internships are great, but most stations in this town are ALWAYS searching for part-time board ops which is an excellent way to get your feet wet. The other step is realizing that a piece of paper will not guarantee you a job ;)

I believe this story has the most comments of any story so far. Thanks folks for commenting, its nice to know your opinion!

All though I can add my two cents.

I DID do internships.

I have had THREE jobs in the communications field, and I still had trouble getting a job in the field. This is my first fulltime job that required a degree, and I'm only here because I was persistant enough that Joe Hyde took a chance on me.

I am a Baby Boomer whose "Greatest Generation" parents insisted that their children be educated beyond high school. I am the one of the four that chose a degree where the job descriptions are a little nebulous (my sisters are teachers and nurses). I never expected my degree to do anything besides get me in the door and possibly teach me the terminology. One "problem" however, is that colleges offer too many degree plans--way more than they are equipped adequately to teach. I can't speak to ASU specifically, but I graduated from a similar college that was excellent in several areas--education, agriculture, business, music--but not in my chosen field. I went there because it was close and familiar and I have no regrets (especially after last Saturday), but it was not equipped--at that time--to offer a degree in my field. (Which, coincidentally, was broadcasting, and which has changed drastically at that university in recent years.) I honestly believe, unless you have a very specific goal and you know there will be jobs (engineering, medicine, education, etc) a students best bet is to get a general education. I dare say an awful lot of what I learned in college that was most useful to me afterward did not come from the classroom. But if I ever find anyone who's paying to have Chaucer's Canterbury Tales read in Middle English, man, I'm on it!
Shocking. Your degree in basket weaving isn't panning out. Why blame ASU? If you view an internship as "free labor" instead of a means to adequately prepare you for WORK, then you deserve every bit of what you get! Your resume will be just as important, if not more so, as your degree. If you aren't getting the hands-on experience you want, then take some initiative and SEEK OUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH. Apply for a pre-professional job or an internship! You've been told your entire life that, once you get to college, no one is going to coddle you and hold your hand. Put your big boy/girl undies on, exert a little effort, and make your own way!
The problem with some college graduates is they expect a high paying job to be handed to them immediately after school. With any job you must start at zero. There will always be skills that must be learned on the job. The purpose of a college education is to prepare you. If you want to have a career in social work ask someone who is already a social worker if you can shadow them. If you want to work in radio, talk to the people at Foster Communications. Quit asking to be spoon fed. I am a biology student at ASU. My professors are awesome and their research is phenomenal. Use your professors as resources, that's what they are there for. Tell them your concerns and ask them for advice. I hope this article doesn't deter future students away from ASU. I feel so blessed to live in a town with such a wonderful university!
As a social work graduate from 2012, that has now entered into a masters program in San Antonio at UTSA I will say that I have not struggled once to make the transition. I felt totally prepared and up to date on all things social work upon entering into the new program. I was a little worried the the social work program at ASU is still new and growing and that it might affect my master's process. I am lucky to say that is not the case. I can agree that the courses are largely lecture and a little more community involvement in the macro course or active projects for policy would add to the confidence level of applying said lectures. However, as mentioned this is a new program still working to meet the requirements of CSWE. I believe they will become more flexible with classroom strategies once this process is complete and I am happy to say I don't regret it.

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