On February 11, a 75-year-old man was accused of physically assaulting a 23-year-old San Angelo woman in the parking lot at Walmart located at 610 W. 29th St. The events of that day, and what occurred after, has her friends and family questioning current laws that allowed an already bad situation to turn worse.
Because of current laws in place, not only did this man punch this woman in the face and get away with it that day, but he also got a hold of her personal information from the police report and began harassing the woman and her family at their residence.
The laws that this victim and her family question are the Public Information Act and the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.
The Incident
Prior to her kids’ Valentine’s Day party, MK (she did not wish to use her full name because of the situation) was heading to Walmart early in the day to buy some items for the party.
MK said she was driving north on Glenna, in the right hand lane, while this man drove on the left.
“Well, I’m clear to get over into my left lane, so I go into my left lane,” she said.
MK signaled and moved over, and at that point, the problem begins. She managed to upset the driver, later identified as Elbert Foreman.
“I don’t know what pissed him off from there,” MK said. “He, out of nowhere, just speeds up, and I’m seeing this in my mirror. He’s full force speeding up like he’s about to hit me."
MK said she had to speed up, and after a few moments of this, she got angry and flipped Foreman off.
“[After,] I just went about my business,” she recalled. “I lowered my speed limit back down. I hit a light. I looked back, and there were other cars behind me. He wasn’t even behind me. I don’t even see his truck anymore."
Moving on, MK made her way to Walmart, and when she exited her vehicle, she noticed Foreman parked behind her.
“He jumped out of his car and was running at me,” MK said. “I’m going to close my door, and he’s like, ‘You need to learn to stay off your goddamn phone when you’re driving!’ He’s in my face."
MK said she told Foreman she wasn’t on her phone, but even of she was, that’s none of his business. That’s when things got ugly.
“He knocked the hell out of me like I was a man," stated MK.
MK said she backed up in shock, and when Foreman lunged at her again, a man who witnessed what happened jumped between them.
“He’s still trying to go at me,” she noted.
At this point, MK said she yelled, “What the hell is wrong with you?” She then told him, “You’re going to jail!” Foreman responded, “No, I’m not."
When he attempted to go at her again, the other man warned Foreman to back up or he would have to hit him.
“The man then gets into his truck and pretends he’s going to ram me. I yell, ‘Hit me! I wish you would!’ At this point, I’m angry and crying. I just got slapped and I’m cussin’ at him. He yells to me, ‘Stay off your goddamn phone!’ He didn’t even see me flip him off. He thought I was on my phone.”
MK, determined not to let the man get away with what he did, followed Foreman while on the phone with 9-1-1. When an officer arrived, MK stopped her vehicle. She said at first the man hesitated to stop, but he finally did and got out. MK said she was yelling and told the officer what happened. The officer assured her she did the right thing, but because he didn’t see what happened, he couldn’t arrest him. It didn’t matter that three witnesses also saw what took place and spoke to officers. Foreman also admitted to hitting her.
When MK mentioned to the officer she flipped Foreman off, he got angrier. As for the cell phone accusation, the cop told Foreman it’s not against the law to be on the phone.
After a heated discussion about what took place, MK learned officers had no plans to arrest Foreman. She said she felt that had to do with him being a veteran. He had a “Purple Heart” designation on his truck. However, the officers told her they could not arrest Foreman because of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.
In frustration, MK left, but once the anger wore off, she felt the pain of Foreman’s hit.
“Everything’s hurting,” she said. “My teeth were hurting. He knew exactly where to hit me where I was going to feel it. At 75 years old, you would think, ‘Well, he’s a senior citizen. How hard can he hit you?’” I was hit like I was a grown man.”
Because she was hurting so bad, MK went to the hospital at the urging of her close friend and had X-rays done. According to the medical reports she provided, they show Foreman had indeed bruised the muscles in her neck and face.
“I’ve lost a lot of sleep over this," she said.
The Situation Gets Worse
The day after the confrontation with Foreman, MK said she was determined to file charges against him, so she went to the San Angelo Police Department to get a report of the incident. That’s when she noticed Foreman’s address, phone number and date of birth. When she asked the records clerk about this, the woman told her, “He would have gotten the same thing.”
MK said she immediately feared for her life, and that of her family.
“I could understand if we knew each other, but I don’t know this man,” she stated. “He didn’t know where I live."
She immediately called her husband and told him what she learned. Although he tried to allay her fears, she couldn’t relax.
That evening, her fear became a reality when she saw Foreman parked on the corner of her street watching her as she cleaned her husband’s truck. He had a young boy in his vehicle with him.
“I knew this was going to happen," she said.
MK said she ran and told her husband, who ended up following the man to get his license plate. Foreman saw him, motioned him to come to his vehicle, and threatened MK’s husband, “I will kill you motherf****!"
The Response
Despite the threats, and despite the cops coming out multiple times that weekend because of Foreman watching and passing her home, Foreman did not get arrested.
Not only did he not get arrested, but MK said a few of the officers she dealt with were rude, and one failed to file harassment charges despite MK being told that would happen. Had he done so, when Foreman returned on Saturday, police could have arrested him.
MK also told the officers none of this would have happened had they not provided her information on the report.
“Oh. I see what you’re saying, but you can’t blame it on us," one officer told her after she showed him the report. He also told her defensively that it was MK’s word against Foreman’s because he denied being in her neighborhood and threatening her husband. She was also told it wasn’t against the law for Foreman to drive in her neighborhood.
Luckily, MK said after all the negative situations with these officers, she was able to get into contact with Sgt. Doug Thomas at SAPD. He helped get Foreman served with Stalking orders, and Foreman signed the papers stating he understood that should he go near MK or her family, he would be arrested.
Additionally, last Wednesday, SAPD officers arrested Foreman on a warrant for the assault on MK at Walmart. However, Foreman posted bond for $1,000 that day.
Now, if MK sees Foreman near her home, he will indeed be arrested and charged with a 3rd Degree Felony; however, it took over a week for this outcome, and MK, along with her husband and close friend, said none of this would have happened had her information not been released by SAPD.
The Overall Explanation
Sgt. Cade Solsbery, public information officer for SAPD, said, because of section 552.108 of the Public Information Act, SAPD is required to provide all the information that has caused MK problems on reports. There are exceptions, however, for sexual assault, suicide, or injury to a child.
“As far as everything else is concerned, we have to release it,” he said.
Most of the time, Solsbery said if there is a question about information being released, records officials will send it to the Attorney General’s Office, but they almost always release that information.
“It’s just the way it’s written in the Public Information Act," Solsbery stated.
When asked how this act affects officers doing their job as it could incite a more dangerous situation, Solsbery said, “At least that we know of, it’s not very often where this kind of thing happens. I can’t remember off the top of my head where somebody got a report and figured out where somebody lived. On that part, it’s still under investigation."
Solsbery said he knows the case was assigned to a detective, but he’s not sure where it stands. All he can say is, if people are a victim of a crime, or someone starts bothering them, that could turn into a possible retaliatory charge.
“There are charges in place, but it’s one of those things that the threat has to be made and something occurs,” Solsbery stated. “It could be a threat or an action.”
Solsbery added that in most Misdemeanor cases, officers don’t make an arrest because they don’t fall under the exceptions (See “The Laws”), so they have to be filed on by the victims themselves.
Solsbery noted, “Some misdemeanors do get assigned to detectives, but a lot of them don’t, simply because we have too many felonies they have to investigate. It falls back to the victim."
Solsbery said the victim has to come to SAPD and fill out a County Attorney packet. The victim provides personal information and a formal statement, and must get it notarized. Officials then send the packet to the County Attorney’s office. Solsbery said he’s not sure what the turnaround is for a warrant to be issued.
“That’s how it usually goes,” he said. “In this particular instance, considering what transpired afterwards, it was assigned to a detective, so it happened a little quicker than usual once it got to the point that they were seeking the warrant; it went a little quicker than had she done it herself."
Solsbery stated a lot of people think that because they make a report, charges will get filed. That’s not always the case.
In this situation though, that did happen, and should Foreman continue to go after MK and her family, he will be arrested on felony charges.
The Laws
At the scene, one of the officers told MK the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure created frustration for officers, especially in situations like this. Basically, the law states law enforcement officers are restricted to make arrests on Misdemeanor offenses that do not occur in their presence.
Here is what Sgt. Solsbery said about the law according to Article 14.03:
“As far as police witnessing the attack and whether or not they can make the arrest, there are restrictions on when we can make arrests on Misdemeanors that did not occur in our presence,” he said. “They are:
(1) persons found in suspicious places and under circumstances which reasonably show that such persons have been guilty of some felony, violation of Title 9, Chapter 42, Penal Code, breach of the peace, or offense under Section 49.02, Penal Code, or threaten, or are about to commit some offense against the laws;
(2) persons who the peace officer has probable cause to believe have committed an assault resulting in bodily injury to another person and the peace officer has probable cause to believe that there is danger of further bodily injury to that person;
(3) persons who the peace officer has probable cause to believe have committed an offense defined by Section 25.07, Penal Code, if the offense is not committed in the presence of the peace officer;
(4) persons who the peace officer has probable cause to believe have committed an offense involving family violence;
(5) persons who the peace officer has probable cause to believe have prevented or interfered with an individual's ability to place a telephone call in an emergency, as defined by Section 42.062(d), Penal Code, if the offense is not committed in the presence of the peace officer; or
(6) a person who makes a statement to the peace officer that would be admissible against the person under Article 38.21 and establishes probable cause to believe that the person has committed a felony.
(b) A peace officer shall arrest, without a warrant, a person the peace officer has probable cause to believe has committed an offense under Section 25.07, Penal Code, if the offense is committed in the presence of the peace officer.”
In this case, there was physical evidence that showed Foreman assaulted MK, and there were witnesses who saw everything. Also, Foreman admitted at the scene to hitting MK because he thought she was on her phone.
As for Section 552.108 of the Public Information Act, it states that “certain law enforcement, corrections and prosecutorial information held by a law enforcement agency or prosecutor that deals with the detection, investigation, or prosecution of crime is excepted from the requirements of Section 552.021 (public information is available to the public at a minimum during the normal business hours of the governmental body) if…click here for the exceptions.
The Change
Based on this information, it’s unclear what “information at a minimum” means; however, Solsbery said he hasn’t seen a situation like this where unrelated individuals involved in an incident use the report to get personal information. Any time there is a retaliation, there is a relationship.
“It’s not often you have a situation like this,” he noted.
As long as people request information, they can get it thanks to the Public Information Act. The only way change can be made is if citizens fight for a change in legislation. Solsbery said all victim information has to change so all information is protected and not released.
Update 1:49 p.m.
Elbert Foreman reached out to us today and declared, about the accusations made against him, "It's all lies." Foreman was booked into Tom Green County Jail Feb. 24 for Assault Causing Bodily Injury. He has yet to meet a grand jury nor has he received a formal indictment. He is out of jail on an $1,000 bond. Other than this incident, Foreman has a clear record in Tom Green County.
Comments
I want Elbert Forman's side of the story. This is way to one sided, she probably cut him off and then brake checked him. Provoked him over and over. Now she's playing the victim to garner sympathy. If he did indeed hit her in the Walmart parking lot and there were witnesses that would come forward, then the police could arrest him. And she's 23. Why didn't she record this guy stalking her? At least take pictures of him watching her house.
This story stinks like week old fish sitting in a dumpster in July. But the bottom line is don't flip people off... Especially when you're driving.
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PermalinkUnder no circumstances is physical violence acceptable. He should have been arrested if there were witness and walmart has security cameras that should have been used.
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PermalinkFlight Watch, I get what you're saying, but you can't assault people for cutting you off or flipping you the bird (even though they may deserve it). I'm not saying Foreman did or didn't, but you can't just go around hitting people cus they get your goat.
Second, come on Mrs. Ramirez, most of your articles are interesting but they are tomes. There's gotta be a way to TLDR these into a few less grafs.
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PermalinkI never condoned road rage or assaulting anybody. I just stated that there is way more to this story than what is being presented.
MK signaled and moved over, and at that point, the problem begins. She managed to upset the driver, later identified as Elbert Foreman. “I don’t know what pissed him off from there,” MK said. “He, out of nowhere, just speeds up, and I’m seeing this in my mirror. He’s full force speeding up like he’s about to hit me."
75 year old wounded veterans don't act like this for no reason at all.
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PermalinkSenility.
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PermalinkWith all due respect, flight watch...Are you serious? Did you read the article? Virtually everything you've said is an assumption, on your part. You assume she must have cut him off. You assume she must have break checked him. You assume she provoked him (oddly stated) over and over? Do you also assume she deserved to be hit in the face? It's clear from the story that she had no idea she was being followed which would indicate she wasn't concerned with having done something wrong.. I would think if she felt that she had done something wrong she would have been watching for a retaliation of some kind. This victim is a very young female. I don't know many young females who would purposely provoke a full gown man "over and over" (as you stated) and then have no worry or reason to be watching out for themselves, just in case. Is this where we are now, in this town? A person can follow you, or someone you love, block them/you in, come at them/you, and hit them/you in the face? That seems to be an acceptable response, where you are concerned. Is this the reaction you would have if this happened to your mom, or wife, or daughter? If they came home telling you this happened to them would you then question them as to what they did to deserve it? Perhaps it's your kind of attitude and thinking that keeps women from reporting men who put their hands on them. Did you by chance read where she needed medical care and it was confirmed she was injured with bruising to her face? That would also mean medical bills for her to now pay. Did you not see where eye witnesses had to stop him from hitting her again? Witnesses. People other than the victim, who confirmed the situation. Am I mistaken or did this article also mention that this man admitted to police officers that he did hit her? I drive the streets in this town every single day. There are always people honking at one another, flipping one another off, cutting each other off....Not one of those things would warrant being followed, blocked in, and hit in the face and then, stalked at one's own home. Your comments indicate you also think that at 23 she always has a phone with her so where is video of him being near her home? I believe it was stated she was cleaning out a vehicle at the time she first saw him. It is completely possible she had no need for a phone while outside cleaning a vehicle. I guess being you highly disregard the truthfulness of the situation, perhaps you could go to the SAPD and ask to see the police reports. This story indicates they were called to her home several times due to his presence there. The police dept. clearly did in fact find enough evidence to absolutely confirm this victims accounts of what happened. Otherwise, there would not have been charges and an arrest. However...sadly, with attitudes such as yours perhaps the reason women do not report assaults such as this one to the police dept. is because they fear the exact attitude that you seem to have. If that is the case, there are far more serious worries we should have as a community, than how the law is worded. Women have clearly fooled themselves in thinking they have "come a long way" when there are still people who think it's ok or somehow justified to put their hands on a woman, for any reason.
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PermalinkAnd you are assuming that the girl is telling the truth about the entire thing. You are assuming that this girl acted like a completely innocent angel and for absolutely no reason at all, this monster of a senior citizen just singled her out, hit her, stalked her, threatened to kill her, etc. Yet the SAPD is obviously on the side of the monster because they didn't initially arrest him. People wade into dangerous territory by automatically condemning this man based off of her side alone. That is how reputations are needlessly ruined and libel suits are filed (Google: 'Duke Lacrosse Case' for proof of this.)
In a situation like this there are 3 sides to the story; his side, her side, and the truth. So she got hit. OK. All WalMart's have numerous security cameras facing out towards the parking lot. Even without witnesses, the security cameras would have caught the assault. Furthermore, why weren't the cops called right then and there when the assault happened? Certainly, somebody in that parking lot would have called 911. She would have had outward physical evidence of being assaulted. If you have ever been punched, you know this. She then stated that she went to the hospital to have x rays taken, and that the x rays showed bruising in her neck and face. Big problem with this; x rays don't show bruising because they can't see soft tissue. I'm sorry, but a defense attorney would chew her up and spit her out. I'm actually flabbergasted at the fact that SAL ran with this story without fact checking this girls accusations.
This would not happen to my wife. It wouldn't happen because the gentleman doing the stalking would be lying face down in the parking lot with a 9mm pointed at them waiting for the police to arrive.
A 23 year old usually does always have a phone with them. Even if she didn't have it at First, a quick walk into the house to grab it isn't out of the question. And this guy supposedly threatened to kill her husband (see, I did read the article.)
You are also assuming quite a bit about me and that I have the power to somehow influence how a woman does or does not act (you obviously don't know my wife.) That's ok though. This isn't about me, and that's all you need to know.
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Permalinkwell i guess i would be in jail then because i would have knocked some damn sense into him once he laid a finger on me. Much less if he would have began stalking me and then made a threat to my husband, my husband would be in jail for whooping his ass. Im sorry for what happened to her and im thankful to him for his military services.....there is no way in hell that me and my husband would have just stood by and let the police basically say "its out of our hands". especially when there was witnesses and im pretty sure she had a nice size red mark on her face as evidence also. I guess me and my husband are concidered trouble makers by police because if they wont or cant prevent harm from coming to us or our children.....then we better believe we will do what is necessary to protect us and our family without using guns or tasers. I have much respect for her and her husband for their ability to restrain themselves from whooping his ass. its dumbass people like him that has helped us know a lot of officers by name. Good Luck
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PermalinkIn my opinion I believe this story is one sided. There's too many facts that are left out and it all comes from one side. Miss Ramirez, being a reporter, you should know there's always two sides to a story.
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PermalinkOh yeah, totally believe everything this 23yr old reported. Way to fact check SAL and get both sides of the story. She admitted to flipping him off and cussing him out several times. 1. First she stated that "he knocked the hell out of me like I was a man" and later on she stated she was slapped. Now BOTH are not right to do but there is a difference between being slapped open-handed and fist punched in the face. Obviously she wasn't hurt enough or bleeding when the officer arrived or Foreman would have been arrested then. 2. She doesn't know what pissed him off...whatever. She was just driving along minding her own business. 3. Where is the evidence of stalking. Did the reporter for SAL see actual evidence...like pics...of him at her house or an actual stalking report filed. No...because there isn't any evidence! SAL is always good at NOT getting the facts first.
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PermalinkWith respect flight watch........I will address your remarks, gladly. I've read the story several times in fact. First, the reason this man was not arrested is the main reason behind the story, it would seem. Due to the (wording) in some laws ... The only reason this man was not arrested at the scene was due to the wording in this particular law. An officer of the law did not see the assault. That is the only reason. Wording of the law kept an arrest from occurring then and there. Secondly, I'm sure that if the security cameras where positioned to capture any of what happened, they will be viewed at a trial. Or perhaps have already been viewed. If you read the story. This man absolutely was arrested. Police don't typically arrest anyone just on someone's say so alone. I do believe the story also mentions an admission of guilt with regard to the assault on this young woman. As for X-rays....You are correct but what do we know with regard to what an ER Dr. told his patient with regard to injury or pain in an exam room? I was not in any way assuming anything about your wife at all. It was a question to you with regard to (if) this were a case in your family would you side with the person who harmed someone you love or know. I happen to be very much like your wife. This would have turned out a whole lot different, had it been me. However this was a very young person. Someone not trained or prepared to defend herself in any way. In addition I do believe that the story related that there was a 911 call as soon as there could be one. If a person were trying to keep a criminal from getting away and after being hit, maybe a call might take a minute. None the less...video, witness statements, photos, ER exams and reports, testimony from officers and witnesses will in the end tell the whole story in court. As a human being I am quite shocked to see people defending anyone who would hit another person for any reason, let alone for a reason discussed here on this comment thread. For those of you doing so, I would first stop and ask myself if this is how I would react or feel if it were to happen to me or someone I know or love. As for the comment made here regarding this victims wording....A difference between having the hell knocked out of you or being slapped. Assault is assault. My father was a man of 6' plus. Trust me...punched with a fist, slapped, back handed...It all felt the same. Every single time. As for evidence of stalking. Call the police dept. and ask if you happen to be someone who doesn't believe it is truth. The story clearly states the police were called to this victims home several times after the victims address was given out. Were he not there those calls would not have happened. Also, how would this victim or her husband know this man had a child in his vehicle with him, were he not at their home for them to see the child? Also remember, those of you here making accusations that facts were not checked. In reading this story yet again, it seems SA Live spoke in depth with several SAPD officers with regard to this story. It was stated that a detective was in fact assigned to this case when simple misdemeanor cases usually do not. That would mean the dept. clearly has the evidence to show a definitive assault taking place along with the possibility of extra charges for stalking. Also, stated was that many cases do not go forward because victims do not follow through. I can see why that would be with community members actually taking the time to declare them liars and seeming to place blame for an assault on the victim. I'm sure women are use to that being the case, as we all know happens often. In this case it seems this victim did in fact do everything that is required which would mean she knows she was the victim of a crime and is doing the right thing. She is. No one has the right, for any reason to hit another person. It is never ok for a man to hit a woman. I am in disbelief that any member of a community would be in agreement with doing so. Cleary SA Live spoke in depth with a police dept. who verified a victims statements and their own reports of events. Lets all hope that should any of us ever become victims of this type of crime, people like those here making these statements aren't the one's in charge of seeing to it that there is justice for us, as victims.
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PermalinkThe update says he reached out to San Angelo Live and all he said was, "It's all lies!". As a disabled, retired Veteran, I would also like to hear his side of the story. "I hit a young woman in the face because_____________." Anything he might fill in that blank with can not justify his actions. And, playing the injured Veteran card doesn't work with me in this situation.
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PermalinkI have known Ed Foreman for many years. I have had business dealings with him and found him honest in every way. I have also attended Church with Ed and know him to be a kind Christian man. His side of the story needs to be heard.
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PermalinkThank you! His story def needs to heard.
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PermalinkLooks to me like we can assault somebody and get away with it! Almost.
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