County Denounces Conspiracy Theories, Approves Jade Helm 15

 

Conspiracy theorists with tinfoil hats became a topic of lengthy discussion in Tuesday morning’s commissioners’ court meeting, when the county commissioners addressed concerns brought by one local citizen over the U.S. Army's pending Jade Helm 15 operations scheduled to be held in southern Tom Green County in July.

Noting widespread internet alarm, blog posts and martial law theories that have followed the announcement of operations in seven states, local citizen Amy Brown began her address by stating that Bastrop County and Big Spring have held public forums with Jade Helm Operations Planner Thomas Mead, and expressed interest in doing the same in Tom Green County. 

“I know that there is a lot of conspiracy theories and a lot of, you know, concern about [a] military presence…I don’t know what it is,” Brown said. “I don’t think we’re going to FEMA camps or anything, but…I thought maybe we’d be able to come and ask questions, alleviate any concerns we have as far as what we’re looking at as far as the military presence being seen or not seen…”

Brown said she felt her concerns were legitimate and wanted to know what to expect, for example, if camping out in Christoval, where some of the operations will be underway.

County Judge Steve Floyd said the commissioners have heard the concerns of the citizens and referenced a six-page document that has been disseminated to law enforcement and county officials which outlines the operations. He explained that the operations are slated to take place in the county and rural areas, rather than in the cities.

He then called on Sheriff David Jones, who explained law enforcement’s awareness of the matter and emphasized a deputy presence during Jade Helm 15.

“They have contacted us,” Jones said. “We will be contacted every day. We will have a presence in the area and they will notify us of what they’re doing. There shouldn’t be any problems. The military is very aware of the civilian population and they’re not going to do anything that would affect the civilian’s activities.”

Not satisfied with the sheriff’s response, Brown referred to the paperwork provided with the presentation, noting mention of civilian interaction.

“There are some things that say…’civil safety concerns’, I guess. It talks about interactions with the community and with civilians, and with gaining trust,” she said. “I mean, does that not apply to any of the residents of San Angelo? If so, is it just the private landowners that the missions or whatever are going to be practiced on? I mean, there are a lot of concerns.”

Brown’s question caused a stir in the room, followed by a shuffle of papers and a promise from Floyd to provide a copy of the report. Again, she reiterated her belief in the necessity of adequate military training, however stated that even her very conservative grandmother has grown suspicious of the government based on how Jade Helm has been presented to the public.

Responding to her unease, commissioner Bill Ford asked Brown to give voice and ask any questions she may have in an attempt to alleviate her concerns.

Chief among them was the approach, Brown responded, stating how to her recollection, no mention of previous meetings with the sheriff, police or local hospitals was made when Mead initially addressed commissioners’ court.

“…he comes to the court with kind of a written invitation after the fact,” Brown said. “It kind of seems [like he was] forcing an event…without giving them any opportunity to have any idea about it. It seems like it was kind of dropped in our laps and we got a newspaper article here and there…”

County Judge Steve Floyd agreed with Brown that communications had taken place prior to the commissioners’ court meeting, but said that the military has not been shrouding their plans in secrecy, contrarily being rather forthcoming with their intentions.

“They’ve been completely in the open,” Floyd said. “They had already briefed us and the sheriff and everyone, so we basically already asked all the questions we wanted to ask so there was no discussion.”

Floyd added that at the first meeting at which Jade Helm 15 was discussed in the county, no one voiced concerns or raised issues with Tom Green County’s participation. The first instances of concern began to arise roughly a month after the fact, he said, likely because reports on the county’s operations are somewhat muted in comparison to what is reported on city government.

Brown agreed, noting that she’d made “a barrage of phone calls” just the day prior trying to track down information, only to find that the operation falls under the county’s jurisdiction rather than the city’s.

“There are some concerns….” Brown reiterated. “Are we going to see them in the streets in uniform?”

Taking on a somewhat stern tone, commissioner Ford responded to Brown’s plea for answers. “Let me just give you some background on this. This is not a new operation for them. It’s new to us. It’s going to go simultaneously from July 15 to September 15 from Florida to Arizona to Utah, all through New Mexico, 16 locations in Texas and counties,” he said.

“The whole training exercise is something so new to train our troops to do something they have not trained to,” he said. “It’s called reality training. It will give them the ability to do the kind of—you would almost call it covert, but they’re doing it at night. They’re learning to live off the land in these areas in different terrains and different environments…”

After comparing the style of the Jade Helm training operations to the invasion of Nazi Germany, Ford said the military personnel would be working primarily at night and that if they were out in the day, they’d likely be dressed in civilian clothes. The training exercises would transpire on privately owned lands, he said, and only with permission from the owners.

In the information packet provided by Mead on Jade Helm, the reason for Texas’ selection was listed as a historically supportive stance with regard to the military and the necessity of performing the operations on large swaths of undeveloped lands with low population densities.

According to that information packet, the areas proposed pose real obstacles to challenge trainees during the execution of their tasks. Some of those “challenges” specifically mentioned in the packet include, “adapting to unfamiliar terrain, social and economic conditions”, “operating in and around communities where anything out of the ordinary will be spotted and reported (locals are the first to notice something out of place)” and “the opportunity to work with civilians to gain their trust and an understanding of the issues,” the packet reads.

“You probably won’t see that much of them if you do at all,” Ford said. “There probably won’t be any of them in San Angelo. Most of the operations we’ll see in Christoval will be between Christoval and Eldorado…”

Ford continued to list cities and counties that are participating in Jade Helm, which include Bastrop, Big Spring, Caddo Lake, Caldwell, Christoval, College Station, Dell City, Eldorado, Goliad, Junction, Leakey, Menard, Mountain Home, San Angelo, San Antonio and Victoria, per the informational packet.

The packet also states that over 1,200 service members will be participating in the state with 60-65 stationed locally and an estimated economic impact of $150,000 on the local community.

“Funding identified for this portion of the exercise will go straight into the economy in the way of supplies, food, fuel, lodging and services for exercise participants,” the packet states.

As Ford finished explaining his understanding of the operations, the dialogue transitioned to one of support for the military and their efforts to train to protect the homeland.

“These guys—every single one of them are combat veterans,” Ford said. “These guys are coming back from Afghanistan, different places around the world…I mean, these are the real deal. And I’ve been around several of them the last couple of months. Man, I’m proud to be around them. These are super guys…they think along the lines of what’s good for this country. They’re true patriots. They’re warriors. These guys, this is what they’re trained to do.”

Brown reiterated that her intent was not to come off as unsupportive. Then Kenneth Kuykendall, a Christoval native who was deployed twice to Iraq, stepped up to back commissioner Ford’s statement, adding what he knows about his fellow servicemen and the home-grown pride they hold in protecting their country.

“You said it perfect. These guys care more about America than they care about anything else,” he said. “There’s going to be no problems with this and I don’t foresee anybody really seeing them. As you said, these guys are trained to not be there.”

Judge Floyd paused to ask Kuykendall a question. “How many children do you have?” he posed.

“I have six,” Kuykendall responded.

“Do you have any concerns about them?”

“No, not really,” Kuykendall responded. “Not at all.”

Judge Floyd’s son, Christopher Floyd, was also present on Tuesday to speak on the matter, and told Brown and those present that he believed wholeheartedly that the operations were intended to be carried out as presented, denouncing conspiracy theories that caused alarm all over the nation.

“It hurts, it personally hurts my feelings, my pride and everything else to hear that these people are against this,” Christopher Floyd said. “The conspiracy theorists, whatever you want to call it…it hurts.”

Christopher Floyd is a veteran and spent 10 years in the military. He expressed that inviting the military to come in and train was a way of thanking them for their service.

“I took an oath at enlistment to protect my country against enemies foreign and domestic, period. Under God. And I didn’t just take it for the 10 years that I was in and in active reserve. I took it for life. These people need to understand that this is for the greater good of everybody. There is no martial law. There’s none of that.”

Again, Judge Floyd asked how many children the speaker has, to which his son responded, “two”. Floyd’s son said he also had no concern for their safety. Christopher Floyd has volunteered to participate in the exercises.

As the comments on the topic died down, Judge Floyd asked Brown if she had any further questions, and turned the talk to Goodfellow Air Force Base and the county’s relationship with them.

“Goodfellow is crucial to this area and we have a very good chance to grow that mission…” Floyd said. “I’m honestly proud of the community’s efforts to support our military.”

Floyd called for a motion on whether to allow the U.S. Army license to use Tom Green County property, which was moved by Aubrey Cordova and seconded by Bill Ford. The motion carried unanimously. 

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Jade Helm is just another Domestic terrorist/martial law exercise/training operation by our military.
I believe it is just another conditioning operation to let the American people get used to seeing the military in their communities and states.
Basically people will get comfortable with seeing military equipment and troops block roads, search homes and vehicles without anything happening under the guise of “training” for the peoples’ sake in case we are attacked.
Maybe It is programming and preparation?
I hear some soldiers were asked what type and how many weapons their family members had at home.

Nothing there. No evidence. Mere "widespread internet alarm, blog posts and martial law theories."

Anybody who buys into the conspiracy nonsense surrounding this exercise is a mouth-breathing idiot on his/her best day.

This is by far not the only time they have used our area for millitary training. I don't get all the worries about it. They have to have training off of the base surely.

but it is the type of training and where that matters in this scenario. They have operators that are tasked to blend in with the civilian population. There have been train loads of military equipment (tanks, apc's, humvees) being moved into the area. Fighter jets are already "exercising" above San Angelo, and there has been a definite uptick in the amount of chopper activity lately. I am a veteran and took the same oath as others, but power is incredibly addictive. Also, most junior enlisted personnel blindly follow orders. Don't think for one Second that, if a senior officer ordered them to point their gun at a group of civilians and shoot anybody that tried to leave, they wouldn't do it. Remember, Most German soldiers didn't believe what Hitler was doing was right, and when asked why they were doing what they were, they responded that they were just following orders. Just like our servicemen were just following orders when they interned Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor. Americans have become distracted and complacent. We vote based on emotion instead of facts. Anybody that questions the (rather suspicious) activities of our leaders and military are brushed aside and labeled as "mouth breathing idiots." Well this mouth breathing idiot knows that, if we don't learn from the lessons of History, it WILL repeat itself. I also know that it's always better to be prepared and not need it than vice versa.

Well san angelo expat, my tin foil had is squeezing a bit too hard. They said the activity wouldn't start until July. I know to you I am just a mouth-breathing idiot, but I was sure surprised when I came up on a Blackhawk that was off loading troups in the brush near Lamar School a month ago. When I get lied to, I get suspicious.
Oh and Judge Floyd, I bet I have more military time that you or your son.

Exercise Jade Helm 15 ends September 15. When we are not all interned in FEMA camps under UN rule this will be but a small item in Snopes.

Speaking of Germans, they and the Australians, Canadians, Pakistanis, Indians, English, S. Korean, and various other nations train side by side with US troops, sailors, airmen, and marines, here in the USA. Have been since at least 1958.

Blackhawks in San Angelo? Any pictures of said troops at Lamar? My guess no, there never is. Just whispers..of....black helicopters.

How much "military time" is acceptable to be recognized as serving ones country? There are some that do not serve at all, are they less of an American? Giving veterans a bad name.

Don't forget the countless times Blackhawks have flown to/over Goodfellow over the last many years. Or anytime a C-130 has flown over San Angelo, or T-38s doing touch and go landings at Mathis Field, or when we had an Osprey land at GAFB a few months ago. There will always be a military presence in San Angelo and Texas simply because of the sheer number of bases/forts. Doesn't mean they are out to get us, it just means it is time for you to let Alex Jones go.

Then what is your worthless little town to do once it's milked everything dry...whither away, into the ghostly abyss of aged, cancerous, oblivion.

Typical elitist attitude. Obama would be proud. Accuse the thoughtful and concerned of being insane wearing tinfoil hats. Parade some veterans preaching patriotism. And for what end? Some of the troops might spend some money at the dairy queen? Follow the money, somebody is profiting from this. I don't live there anymore but its time for Angeloans to clean house, vote these morons out of office and send a message. Move jade helm to Baltimore or Chicago where it might send a needed message.

I'm floored. Just floored. Somebody needs to lock you up in a nuthouse because you are insane. Those "Fighter Jets" are T-38 trainers from Randolph AFB. They've been doing that for years. The "chopper activity" is EXTREMELY routine: Blackhawks and other military aircraft land at Mathis (a former military air field, btw) regularly. Once again, they've been doing it for years. Nothing at all has changed. It's common practice for military aircraft to land at any civilian airfield across the nation.

You claim to be a veteran. Of what service? The Postal Service? Every U.S. military member, regardless of branch, is required to undergo annual training on the Law of Armed Conflict (based on a 1974 DOD regulation that draws from the Geneva Conventions of 1949) and is specifically directed NOT to obey any order that violates that law (such as firing upon unarmed, innocent civilians). You also clearly have NO CONCEPT of Operations Security (OPSEC), which is a military policy used to safeguard critical unclassified information (such as resources, means, methods of training) that could be exploited by our adversaries. (Not the American Citizens or God forbid, us gun-toting, right wing, God fearing Texans, mind you. REAL adversaries, like the ones Jade Helm conditions our service members to combat.)

If you are actually a veteran, you were, without a doubt, the most terrible Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine the United States has ever seen. You have no understanding whatsoever of military operations or law, no respect for those that (you claim) serve after you, and worst of all you are a worthless blowhard who propagates the absolute worst type of fear and ignorance of this day and age without even making the slightest effort to do ACTUAL research. I recommend that in the future, before you vomit up ignorant comments that reflect so horrifyingly poorly upon yourself, you consider the amount of time it took you writing your 239 word piece of laughable drivel, and redirect that effort to spending 15 minutes on Google, looking at websites of respectable reputations with contributions from actual sources and then consider not speaking at all. Even fools are thought wise when they remain silent.

...GOING TO CLOSE... Then what is your worthless little town to do once it's milked everything dry...whither away, into the ghostly abyss of aged, cancerous, oblivion...or do like one of those fly by night bureaucratic organizations that seem get your full "community" support, and bail (fold up)! On your dime...EVERY SINGLE TIME...

Frankly, I don't care what these hicks in our county government think of people who have legitimate questions about Jade Helm 15. Neither county officials, nor US Army Special Operations Command, have done a very god job of presenting this operation to the public. When given the opportunity to respond to concerns, giving the same stock answers, only in a more stern tone of voice, pisses people off. Their feathers are ruffled. You don't smooth them over by calling them idiots or paranoid. I don't know anyone who's afraid of a government takeover or martial law. I really don't. But I know plenty of folks all over Texas who have unanswered questions about JH 15.

What I've seen for weeks is explosive rhetoric and condescending attitudes by those in the media, new media, and those on social media. Those that want to shout down anyone with questions about JH15 don't know what the hell they're talking about most of the time. That's especially true of the hyenas on cable news, and the people at Dallas Morning News. The Houston Chronicle & Austin American Statesman have been a little more fair. Most just want to call someone an idiot without hearing their concerns. They haven't viewed any of the material from the USASOC. They haven't viewed the presentations made to the cities to request permission to conduct these exercises. Basically they've bowed up to anyone who would DARE to have questions about this action.

Here's what no one is saying. The political climate has changed drastically since the last time they had a massive exercise like this. I'm surprised they didn't take that into consideration. I don't see this response to JH 15 as hate or fear of the president or the military at all. People aren't going to magically regain their trust in government if & when someone from the other party moves back into the White House. Lots of moving parts here. People are still smarting about all the mass surveillance revealed by Snowden. Since Ferguson they're finally waking up to our militarized police forces. We still have a revolving door at the TX/MX border, even though we're told it's a legit concern that people who mean us harm could walk in down there. People rightly feel like their concerns are no longer represented in Washington by either party. Public polling confirms that. I think it's healthy for people to have questions about Jade Helm. The people in Bastrop that caused the biggest commotion about JH 15 are still pissed off that politics were played when they needed federal help during the wildfires in 2011. Texans did not create this adversarial relationship with DC. Those in county government appear only slightly less clueless and out of touch with the public perception of this operation than those inside the Beltway & the Pentagon.

Parts of this training exercise are unprecedented on US soil. It involves encouraging citizens to report any unusual activity to local LEOs. I don't know why they decided to involve the public, but that was the call of SOC when they requested to conduct this RMT. (Basically, if you see something, say something.) From the presentation doc: "Some individuals may conduct suspicious activities designed to prepare them for complex environments overseas. Local LEOs are fully aware of the exercise. Local footprint will be 60-65 personnel. Personnel may be carrying weapons with blank ammo. Some participants will be wearing civilian attire and driving civilian vehicles." So they're not just playing war games out in the sticks. They're going to attempt to infiltrate our towns undetected, and if we see something screwy, we're supposed to call the law. That's cool and all, but when given the opportunity to expand on this, our county officials either weren't aware of this or played it off.

This exercise is supposed to be from 15 July to 15 September, but I've got pics of 5 Blackhawks flying in formation over San Angelo from 2 weeks ago. Quite a sight. I'm not worried about martial law. I don't know anybody who is. But I still have a lot of unanswered questions. As the alternative media source for the San Angelo area, I wish SanAngeloLive! showed some of the same natural curiosity about Jade Helm 15 as some of their readers.

I hope this calms down between now & 15 July, but the only way that's going to happen is if local officials and USASOC are more forthcoming with info.

"The real problem the government has and anyone who is implicated in a conspiracy theory has is that you can't actually respond to them in a way that has much effect," he said. "When you say you're not part of conspiracy they say of course you would say that and you bring more light to the conspiracy theory itself."
- Paul Floyd, a former Army Ranger and senior military analyst at the global intelligence and advisory firm Stratfor

One thing Jim just jim got correct is that others can see right through your post. Attempts to attack character and other such shout down methods only define poor Jim. Maybe in his circle of friends, they don't take his word for things and demand a photo.
After "You have to vote for it to find out what is in it." we just don't have much trust left. Yes I trust the average soldier. I trusted many of the senior leadership that was forced to retire or escorted out with MPs like Gen Ham. A claim of OPSEC isn't going to cut it with people when it is their town, their county and worse, their money. We aren't condemning the exercise, just want information. When we are shouted down or lied to, we get suspicious.

All these Blackhawks, Apaches, and Chinooks that everyone sees flying over San Angelo are nothing more than regular flights between Ft. Hood and Ft. Bliss. I see them all the time flying one way or the other because, and this is important so pay attention here, San Angelo is a way point for flights between the two bases. The C130s you see every now and then, they belong to the Border Patrol. The so called "fighters" are trainers from either Dyess or Laughlin.

April 16th I was driving North on Johnson St. and noticed a Blackhawk flying very low (lower than the high-rise) above ASU. The pilot circled the area about 3 or 4 times making hard turns and flying sideways as though they were simulating strafing. I just caught video of it with my phone flying East over me as I was passing by Johnson St Church of Christ. The video is short and only shows how low the chopper was flying. I lost sight of it after that, so I pulled over just North of Ave N to try and record it again. I could only hear the chopper for another minute or two but never saw it again.

No there was no turret mounted on the BH and no I don't think they are preparing for Martial Law, but it did seem odd to me. Maybe they were trying to see if anyone would report it? Testing the waters so to speak. From my observation, driving through ASU, not a single person was paying attention or even looking up at it.

They weren't flying from point A to point B is all I know. This occurred around 5:20 PM.

I've also noticed blackhawks flying erratically and seemingly without a destination over the past few months, usually over the State Park, Golden Chick, and Desiree's. Five days ago while photographing contrails I caught one of these flights and was able to get close up shots of the pilot. My suspicion was confirmed, and they are indeed being flown by sasquatch, most likely bringing them in from Canada.
It's common knowledge the new world order stormtroopers will start with the yeti, followed by the super intelligent canine soldiers, quickly knocking down any resistance the sheeple may put up. I for one ain't havin it though and already have my big foot repellant & detangler mist at the ready and encourage y'all to do the same!

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I'm really glad you cited General Carter Ham's "forced removal by MPs," as it's a reflection on just how easily you assimilate ignorance. Gen Ham retired. Nothing more.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp

I would suggest you read the legitimate sources cited on that article, particularly General Ham's own words, but I know it's useless to suggest you bother to do your own ACTUAL research. It's like you only use the internet for self gratification or something.

I've been harsh in my responses about this, but here's the bottom line: By spewing these ignorant conspiracy theories of oppression and martial law, you are attacking the character of U.S. military members presently serving and the loved ones who support them. You are telling your friends, neighbors, and quite possibly family members that you think they are betraying you. It's destructive to morale and actually degrades their ability to perform their jobs. I'd rather you just left this country, since it's so "oppressive" to you, than for you to remain here degrading our troops.

Anyway, what are you so afraid of? Do you not actually have faith that the American people (at least us heavily armed Texans) can effectively defend ourselves from any legitimate movement to impose martial law? Besides the fact that troops are trained to question illegal orders at least annually, the reality is that currently only about .5% of the U.S. population is serving. If, for some OUTLANDISH reason, the government were to go haywire and all those military members were to attempt to actually enslave their own people, they would be sorely outnumbered. Anybody with an elementary level education on the topics of history and arithmetic understands just how preposterous that idea is. You severely underestimate yourself and others when you talk about how scared you are of the government.

Now I'm really not going to say anything else on the matter, because it seems to just be feeding the trolls. Have faith, self confidence, and use your brain, people. Or just shut up and leave.

...the words comin' outta my mouth?!!! Go ahead and bloviate, while setting up and knocking down the strawman who's poo-pooing the military and night-shrieking about martial law. This resistance to Jade Helm doesn't happen in a vacuum. Blind trust in government is over, as if it were ever a virtue. While Alex Jonesians are blathering on about martial law, there are tons of folks who don't believe that's a concern, while still not believing everything we're being told about JH. The county commissioners displayed a perfect example of how not to handle people they represent that have legitimate questions. They talk off-camera about "conspiracy theorists" and a handful of people with an agenda, but can't answer the simplest of questions about this operation. Repeating what we've been told doesn't cut it. They're either lying about parts of this exercise or they don't know what they've approved. Because the interaction with the public IS a stated part of this training exercise. It is IN the original presentation USASOC used to sell this to the county. So if civilian interaction is going to take place, but SOC, the county, the media, and law enforcement don't want to talk about it, we've got a problem. Notice I'm not ranting about FEMA camps or tunnels under Walmarts? As soon as I get a straight answer about civilian interaction, it will be the first one.

Let's take all the conspiracy & rumors out of the equation and discuss what we know. Jade Helm 15 is going to take place between 15 July and 15 September. Last weekend we had 2 jihadists drive from Arizona to Texas with evil intentions. This week, Direct of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson said that members of the Islamic State (ISIL/ISIS) are operating on US soil and could strike at any time. Also this week, all US bases were put on a higher state of alert because of ISIS. Is it a coincidence that this is occurring during the visible ramp up to Jade Helm? I don't know. Neither do you. One thing is for certain. Because of the NDAA, and a handful of quietly signed executive orders/presidential directives, use of the military on US soil is legal now in the "war on terror". That isn't some conspiracy theory. Just the facts. One might be surprised that this extends to cyber criminals who operate in the support of terrorism. Now if we're venturing down the road where the US military is going to be utilized at home, that is worthy of some debate. No federal government takeover. No talk of martial law. See how easy that is? Getting people accustomed to seeing soldiers and/or military hardware on Main Street USA would obviously be an obstacle, even if it's for a good purpose. This isn't the mind wandering. This is taking laws that are already on the books and utilizing them as they were envisioned. If citizens resisted to such an occupation, by law they could be deemed as enemy combatants and held indefinitely. Is any of this likely? Probably not, but it would be legal. People have been asleep in the post-9/11 world to everything we've allowed to go on in the name of fighting terrorism. Who would have thought that the NSA would be allowed to conduct surveillance on every citizen's phones and emails? Most people would agree that it's not OK that we have a secret court that has secret interpretations of secret laws. But because it's allegedly used in the war on terror, and it's backed up by the Patriot Act, we're stuck with it.

Jade Helm could be exactly what they say it is -- Realistic Military Training, for use "over there" somewhere. But with everything we know now that we didn't know just a few years ago about our government, why is anyone surprised at questioning and skepticism? The blind supporters of JH15 are making this about our men & women in uniform, not the the folks with a well-deserved distrust of government.

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Anyone that is buying into the party line that JH15 is "normal" and they "do this all the time" is either delusional, or lying. Why? Because I know for a FACT that there has NEVER been a 7 state "training mission" EVER in the USA by ANY branch of the military. It is ALSO a FACT that the Federal Government has become so suspicious of it's own people if the "Government" were a single entity, we would be sending them to counseling if we didn't hospitalize them to start with.

Below is a list of 72 types of Americans that are considered to be “extremists” and “potential terrorists” in official U.S. government documents. I have links to all the source documents to back my statements here, so don't say "all conspiracy theory" because it's ALL from government web sites.

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”

2. Those that advocate for states’ rights

3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”

4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”

5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”

6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”

7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”

8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”

9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”

10. “Anti-Gay”

11. “Anti-Immigrant”

12. “Anti-Muslim”

13. “The Patriot Movement”

14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”

15. Members of the Family Research Council

16. Members of the American Family Association

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union'”

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition

21. Members of the Christian Action Network

22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”

23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps

26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”

27. The militia movement

28. The sovereign citizen movement

29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”

30. Anyone that “complains about bias”

31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”

32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”

33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”

34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”

35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”

36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”

37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”

38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”

39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”

40. “Militia or unorganized militia”

41. “General right-wing extremist”

42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.

43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”

44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”

45. Those that are “anti-global”

46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”

47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”

48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”

49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”

50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”

51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”

52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”

53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”

54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”

55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”

56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”

57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”

58. “Rightwing extremists”

59. “Returning veterans”

60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”

61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”

62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”

63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”

64. “Anti-abortion activists”

65. Those that are against illegal immigration

66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations

68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)

71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies

72. Evangelical Christians

See any type of person in there you recognize??? AND you want to tell ME there isn't something here to be concerned about??? I'm sorry, but to NOT be extremely concerned about this mission is just insanity.

They will be bring every kind of "spy" device they can dig up, and be using every technique known to man to capture as much info about your area as they can. Don't forget.... TEXAS is considered to be "the enemy" in this excersize. What??? And you haven't asked them WHY that's so??? NOW who is the moron???

One thing is clear. This is NOT "normal" by any shape of the word. Having a time to sit down and talk to them is NOT an unreasonable thing. My only question, is.. will this rag have the balls to let my comment stand?

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