Size Matters: Angry Cactus Fails Approval Again

 

Size does matter, says Design and Historic Review Commission (DHRC) member Eric Eggemeyer, who took new issue with a proposed cactus sculpture for the planned “Angry Cactus” Tuesday, when entrepreneur Timothy Condon presented new renderings for his restaurant’s signage.

At the previous meeting, commissioner’s tabled action on the item, requesting to-scale renderings of the proposed sign and suggesting the design itself be reworked due to personal opinions shared by commissioners who felt the sculpture might be misconstrued as “phallic”, “kitsch”, “offensive” and “cartoonish”.

In keeping with the DHRC’s requests, Condon approached the board with updated renderings Tuesday that had been drawn by an architect and which offered two alternatives to the previously-proposed drafts. One of those drawings kept the cactus on the rooftop but adjusted the shape and smirk of the original drawing and the second placed the new cactus on a recessed canopy above the door.

Condon’s submissions, which included a three-foot sculpture he commissioned by an artist that was still under construction, were well received by commissioners initially, who responded well to his taking the board’s recommendations seriously.

“I think everybody appreciates that you did take our feedback seriously and did attempt to address all of those concerns,” chairwoman Ashley Young-Turner said. “Certainly what has been submitted today is something we can actually look at and actually work with, which is great.”

After making a brief presentation on what he hopes to offer at his location, Condon told the board that of the renderings he’s submitted, he prefers the one with the canopy, which is also the most preferred option among 80 percent of respondents to a LIVE! survey conducted Monday.

“I would like to add that out of the alternates we have, I do like the one that he (Condon) prefers,” commissioner Gary Donaldson said. “And I do think this sculpture has probably helped us some actually see what that is. I don’t have any problem with approving what he’s asked for here.”[[{"fid":"8711","view_mode":"default","fields":{"format":"default","field_file_image_alt_text[und][0][value]":"This proposal places the cactus statue atop the front porch. (Contributed, Tim Condon)","field_file_image_title_text[und][0][value]":"This proposal places the cactus statue atop the front porch. (Contributed, Tim Condon)"},"type":"media","attributes":{}}]]

“I agree with Gary,” said commissioner David Mazur. “I think you did a great job with the presentation.”

At only 15 minutes in, Condon appeared to have satisfied the board and garnered support, however one commissioner was still not happy with the design.

“It looks a lot better from what you brought to us today, Mr. Condon,” said commissioner Eric Eggemeyer. “I’m impressed with the canopy, I’m impressed with the whole building, the style and design of what you’ve done to it versus what we had before. I’m not an advocate of having this thing downtown. I love your ability and your desire to create something totally unique…if anything states about your personality or what you’re capable of doing, it’s your food. I can’t get behind this as far as having the design. It doesn’t keep with our historic design within the district.”

Despite having been granted a variance for the 12-foot sculpture by the planning commission, and despite the height of the statue never having been brought forth as an issue, Eggemeyer stated that his biggest problem with the sculpture was the size, but that he does believe that Condon and his restaurant are what is needed downtown. The cactus, he said, just doesn’t fit.  

“I’m a little hesitant on having a cactus, to me, that looks more like, something that it should be, I don’t know, Vegas,” Eggemeyer said. “It just doesn’t fit in the downtown district.”

Referring to several comments on social media as of late, Condon made mention of local downtown establishments with existing signage that one could argue is less than historical. Naming the Sassy Fox, Fat Boss’ logo, Grinner’s Cheshire cat and the Dead Horse as examples, Condon stated he wanted to add diversity—both in an artistic manner, but also in opening an establishment that is not a bar.

“What I’m hearing is this is too unique for downtown ,and I think that needs to be addressed,” Condon retorted to Eggemeyer’s Vegas statement. “This isn’t too unique for downtown, I just happen to be someone who thinks outside the box a little bit, who pushes the envelope on what can be done. That’s called progression.”

In response, Eggemeyer countered that the board certainly does not aim to thwart creativity and inhibit growth, but added that everything needs to meet certain standards to ensure success in the district. He repeated that the size was the problem for him and didn’t feel that Condon’s success will be measured by a sculpture atop his building.

Looking for another angle on the issue, commissioner Sandra Morris mentioned that San Angelo is trying to participate in the “Main St. USA” program, an initiative set up for municipalities’ old town districts to preserve historical integrity. She asked Condon how his design fits into this scheme.

“When we talked about the signage, we took that into consideration,” Condon responded. “The corner awning was something that was specifically brought in that plan. They want to see more corner entrances with grand entrances…lots of stone in the architecture, lots of outside-of-the-box signage.”

“Sometimes when we have these conversations we forget what’s actually downtown,” he continued. “I know from Jeff’s (Fisher) previous presentation, there were multiple pictures of current signs and…none of them have historical significance.”

Still concerned about historical elements, Morris replied: “Many of those signs happened downtown before downtown San Angelo joined the Main St. USA program, though. And many of them were grandfathered in.”

“Keep in mind, I’m asking for half of the square footage that Twisted Root was approved,” Condon said.

“It’s not the size,” Morris replied. “It’s not the size.”

But it was the size. Immediately after Morris’ and Condon’s dialogue came to an end, Eggemeyer picked up again how big the sculpture was and said he didn’t want anything downtown to catch the eye “that much”. He then suggested the problem may be the fact that the sculpture is 3D.

“You were referencing Sassy Fox and Dead Horse,” Eggemeyer said. “They don’t have a dead horse, they don’t have a picture of a fox that’s sassy. It’s a painting. It’s not a 3D model like we’re talking about. It’s getting cartoonish…it’s getting, I don’t know, it’s not setting the precedents of what I feel like downtown needs to look like.”

With the focus once again shifting to the size of the no-longer-phallic cactus, Condon explained why he’s seeking the sculpture as opposed to a 2D painting. Referencing the drawings, which depict a line of trees on both sides of the building, and with the knowledge that the property line abuts the building, Condon stated, “We are competing with these trees”.

A two-dimensional sign, Condon said, would not be visible on the façade of the building without cutting the trees down, and to be quite honest, he said, he’d like to keep them.

“The property owner planted these trees,” he said. “To be honest with you, his recommendation was ‘cut down these trees so we can have a better look at the exterior of the building’. I don’t want to do that. I want to let those trees grow, quite honestly. But we only have a small area to deal with. There’s no place on the building at all anywhere to put this sign…If we were to put signage on the building on some other spot, it’s going to be covered by those trees. So we can cut down those trees. If you guys want, we can cut down those trees…”

Condon said he didn’t come to the meeting with the anticipation of discussing the size of the sculpture, but the design of it, but Eggemeyer was relentless in his demand for a smaller, less eye-catching cactus in front of the establishment.

“If I’m not allowed to put a sign on my restaurant, we’re not going to open,” Condon said finally.

“I’m sorry if you think that a sign is going to keep a restaurant from going—I’m sorry you’re making a choice,” Eggemeyer replied. “That’s not the board’s choice, that is you as a business owner’s choice to do that.”

Eggemeyer reiterated that the board was not attempting to inhibit growth in the downtown area, but that they are tasked with making sure design elements fit into the historical district’s plans. He said he doesn’t want to cut any trees down unless integrity or foundation issues with an existing structure demand it, and scolded Condon about “putting words in their mouths”.

The discussion continued with some back and forth between Condon and Eggemeyer, who attempted to negotiate the size of the structure. Condon was granted 12 feet by the planning commission and dropped it down to 10 for the sake of compromise. Eggemeyer then stated six feet would be better for him, and with some resistance—noting the height of the building at 24 feet—Condon shrunk down to eight feet.

After an hour and 20 minutes of discussion, chairwoman Ashley Young-Turner called for a motion, which was first made by commissioner David Mazur, who sought to approve the sign at eight feet with stipulations previously presented by the planning commission. Commissioner Margaret Mallard seconded, and Young-Turner abstained, due to previous allegations of a conflict of interest.

Sandra Morris and Eric Eggemeyer voted against the signage. A third commissioner, Gary Donaldson, who had said 15 minutes into the presentation he saw no problem with approving the sign as presented (and at 12 feet tall), also voted against approval. Donaldson remained fairly quiet throughout the meeting and had not indicated that size was an issue for him at any point.

Following the denial of the current request, Margaret Mallard made a motion to table the request, which was seconded by Donaldson. All others followed suit.

None of the board members were willing to comment after the meeting. During the meeting, no member of the commission addressed the concerns of the previous meeting regarding the aesthetics of the new renderings as pertains to their complaints then.

Condon was upset after the meeting, stating that “this is turning into municipal red tape and it’s getting out of hand. All over two feet”.

The response from board members was described as “political puppeteering”, Condon said. Condon expressed that he finds it silly that it has taken so long and so much effort to achieve, essentially, nothing, which is halting construction and slowing opening dates for his restaurant.

“We’re going to try and make Mr. Eggemeyer happy and we’re going to try look into the sign ordinance and make sure that they’re happy with the size of the sign,” he said of his next step. As of now the cactus will once again go before the board for the proverbial hatchet-job next month.

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This is so ridiculous on the part of San angelo design and historic review board!!!!. We need new businesses to come into san angelo and it seems they are picking at petty things ! Let this man open his business !!! That part of downtown San angelo needs revitalization . Downtown has been like a ghost town for years. So many vacant buildings just wasting away and now someone wants to make good use of one of those buildings to bring some life back into our town and you want to nit pick his idea ??? Wake up san angelo stop worrying aboit our history we need to start worrying about our future !!!! And without any new coming in our history will be lost !!!!!!
This is just plain old everyday STUPID!! Eric Eggemeyer may I remind you...we are in Texas and cactus are all around us and have been for hundreds of years...there is your history. Mr. Condon compromised on size. Quit being petty and childish! Mr. Concon's reasoning is valid...regarding trees, signage, etc. There is no way you will convince me the burned out shell now standing looks better than the rendering shown above! Be honest...is there more behind the opposition to the sign? Makes me wonder!.... And for the record...No, I do not know any of these people...Mr. Condon or any committee members. I am a resident of San Angelo and have been almost all my life!
It's not the city council, it's the Design and Historic Review Commission. And shame on them! This does seem petty.
AnnaB, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 10:02
Eric Eggemeyer is being a true thorn in our side.... seems the whole downtown commission is anti-growth and the idea of keeping the decor in a '50's style is so outdated its embarrassing. They need to graduate to the 21st century.
hexi, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 10:53
How are these board members selected? Are they appointed? By whom?
This is not the city council. I'm not sure how these people got their positions either but they're not voted on by the citizens of this city and they obviously don't represent the views of San Angelo. Chelsea...do you know how these people were appointed to their positions on this council? Money does rule. Mr. Eggemeyer does own a business. If people are truely unhappy about this council then I suggest you vote the only way you can...with your wallet. Eggemeyer's has absolutely nothing I can't live without so I will no longer shop there. Same thing goes for the Ms. Turner's Concho Pearl.
hexi, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 11:06
I am just curious how an interior designer from Houston ended up on a board that dictates what can and cannot be done in San Angelo.
Mr. Condon, just redo your building sign by putting a smile on it and renaming your cactus, "Happy Cactus"..........your dining patrons will prefer a "happy cactus" over an "angry" one every time! And, I'll bet your downtown merchants (and the Council) will be in approval with a friendlier name!
hexi, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 12:03
What is the Main St. USA program, and what are its "initiatives"?
I believe that the persons serving on this board should not be persons who also own businesses in these areas. That seems to be a huge conflict of interest in that it gives them the power to shut down anything that they view could possibly compete with their business!! The population of this board needs to be changed immediately to give anyone looking to relocate to the downtown area a chance!!
This is such a conflict of interest. Frst it was the lady who's family owns Ms. Hattis and now the man from eggemeyers. All it comes to is that BOTH OF THESE business owners are scared of the competition that they will have and KNOW they will loose customers to this place.
hexi, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 13:06
I was trying to find their charter and what qualifies one to be appointed to the board. it is not listed on their web site. The web site does indicate that they are appointed by city council members.
hexi, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 13:25
The web site also lists the current board members. Perhaps the web site needs to be updated. Not all the people listed in this article as voting are listed as board members.
Are you committee members actually saying (thru your vote) that you don't want this business downtown if he doesn't change the stinkin' cactus? Did anyone actually relate that to him in the meeting? Change it, or forget it...? The man has a vision, however far you may be from understanding it, and wants to try to do something different downtown. If you believe so strongly that you'd rather keep the property as is (beautiful right now), rather than have a phallic cactus on a roof, have the $%lls to say so. Someone step up and make this right - I want my downtown to change, and you people on the committee are committed to stifling, stagnant status quo. Otherwise, quit playing cultural samurai "protecting" West Texas' San Angelo from a cactus decor, and give the man your blessings.
How about the *What da Pho*? Is that acceptable? I know its not down town, but still. What da pho!
jdgt, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 14:42
Main STREET, USA should encompass just that... the main "strip" of downtown. Which strip might be considered Main Street? Chadbourne seems appealing... however, so does Beauregard, and Harris... a bit of College... maybe some of Oakes? Oh! Concho, too... I know that several of the surrounding counties renovated their original courthouses (Brady, Sonora, etc) and that seems to be the center of the "old west" theme that several communities have adopted. I think the ENTIRE dilemma is as stated in the above comments... Mr. Condon is a competitor (and a damned good one) and these other people who are voting against him are clearly afraid of losing business. I think that these individuals should be voted OFF the board because it's clear that they have unfair advantage over new businesses downtown. Now... for the good citizens of the community to collaborate and oust. Otherwise, we're not doing anything but griping and complaining about a system that we clearly have the power to change.
Trivial decisions like these make me glad I left San Angelo. Maybe the city can finally grow and move forward when the current board members step down or get booted out. They're most likely just waiting for some extra "incentive" to approve the design.
MR Condon should paint the logo on the outside walls of the building, The "Angry Cactus" logo surrounded by a great big set of lips, make the "Angry Cactus" logo look like a tongue that is laughing at the people in charge.
bebop, Wed, 10/29/2014 - 17:54
http://www.preservationnation.org/main-street/about-main-street/the-approach/
Interesting how similar this situation is to classic tales of school-yard bullies and their gangs. The new kid is just about to get on the merry-go-round when the leader of the pack shows up. "Go faster! Don't let him on, he's not one of us."
"A third commissioner, Gary Donaldson, who had said 15 minutes into the presentation he saw no problem with approving the sign as presented (and at 12 feet tall), also voted against approval." The commission is reminiscent of the "show trials" from the Soviet era. Commissar Eggemeyer is obviously the head comrade who decides what is an acceptable sign for a downtown establishment. The rest of the sheep just follow his lead.
Maybe the men on the commison are itimadatid by the sign compared to the size of their sign.
This is ridiculous that a small group of self-proclaimed "elites" can dictate personal expression and freedom on others. Lets start with the ringleader Eric- He personally doesn't own the business he just doing daddy's barking for him. They don't want anybody to has a thought that isn't theirs. Second I know the Good Ol' Boys are trying to save what's left of downtown San Angelo but guess what it's time to evolve or die. Mr. Condon has worked really hard without his daddy's money to be successful in this town and he deserves this opportunity. I don't think this should be swept under the rug and allow Mr. Condon to walk away from this. Keep waving your hand Puppet!
we have all sorts of stores, shops, restaurants, and bars downtown most are offensive to one group or another... lets name a few... miss hatties whore house (not offensive at all :) ) , house of fifi dubois (highly offensive to people of all races with afros), fat bosses pub (offensive to those of us with a few extra pounds), grinners (offensive to those with bad or crooked teeth), blaines pub (not offensive, but the size your texas flag is intimidating to those of us with small flags), the man store (sexest company!!!... shame on you for not catering to women too... the dead horse (just plain offensive to all dead horses), m.l. leddy's huge boot (not offensive and actually very complimentary to a large phallic of any type), twisted root burger (not offensive, but sounds painful to trees and those fearing that tri to the denist), the concho river itself (highly offensive to human senses especially in the summer, smells and often looks awful at times), the cactus hotel (shame on you for being our tallest building, everyone that looks at you and has unwanted sexual thoughts)... most of you know I am joking about these... I thought I better state that I was for fear that the DHRC might decide most of our downtown businesses are not appropriate. come on DHRC let mr. condon build his restaurant and let the big angry green cactus join the rest of our odd and very cool establishments. These places are what make san angelo unique...

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