Angry Cactus Causes Uproar

 

The shape of a proposed sculpture planned to sit atop a new restaurant downtown has become a topic of debate among citizens and the board members of the Design and Historic Review Commission (DHRC), who tabled a decision on the proposed “Angry Cactus” on Sept 18, after voicing concerns that it may be construed as offensive.

City planner Jeff Fisher presented the sign to the DHRC on Thursday with a recommendation for approval, placing stipulations on the sign’s lighting, color and the aesthetic qualities of compatibility and consistency with current businesses along the River Corridor.

The DHRC is comprised of citizens tasked with the job of making sure that businesses downtown and along the River Corridor compliment the historical district, and use the three criteria of color, lighting and aesthetics to consider whether new developments and their signs fit into the overall plan.

Showing photos of neighboring properties and their signage in a brief presentation, Fisher explained consistency from a planning standpoint as maintaining the “suburban modern post-1950s color palette” and using lighting that does not flood into other properties. Green awnings of adjacent jewelry stores and the neon Cheshire cat at Grinner’s Daiquiri Bar were included in the example photographs.

Due to the property line of the location abutting the building at 1 W. Concho St., property owner Timothy Condon cannot build a free-standing sign, and was therefore granted a variance by the planning commission last week for the rooftop structure.

City ordinance places limitations on the height of signage for one-story structures, meaning a variance was necessary to bring the sculpture up to code. Fisher explained that the variance was given “based on logistics and site visibility”, in order to attract foot and automobile traffic to the restaurant.

Having just voted and approved a sign with a variance for the neighboring Twisted Root Burger Co. (detailed drawings above), commissioner Sandra Morris began the public comment session by asking Condon why he chose to present a design that required a variance.

“I personally would have liked to have seen something else created that could be compliant,” Morris said. “The height is not compliant, you’re having to get a variance to create it. What I was suggesting was that maybe a different look could have…you know, cactuses can melt over the edges or whatever.”

In response to Morris' suggestion that Condon melt his cactus, commissioner David Mazur spoke up to clarify what he feels are the boundaries of the board.

“I think a lot of it is just the aesthetics of what the property owner wants,” he said. “That’s their design, that’s the feel that they want, and we’re not really to judge that part of it in a sense.”

As the dialogue moved to commissioner Gary Donaldson, he asked if it would be possible to include a clause mandating maintenance of the sign so that it does not fall into disrepair and become a “run-down cartoonish thing”, which planning director Rebecca Guerra announced was a requirement in the ordinance.

Picking up on Donaldson’s description, another voice of opposition rose from DHRC chairman Ashley Young-Turner, who said, “My concern is that it is cartoonish and is not adding to the aesthetic downtown, but rather, kind of, a parody of it. I think it’s silly looking and that is part of my concern with it. To be just perfectly frank, it’s a little phallic. I don’t, myself, care for it.”

Morris shook her head in agreement.

Fisher attempted to intervene at this point, and said he wanted to let the board know that they can look at color and lighting, adding a ‘but’ before looking for a way to approach design. At this point, Turner cut him off, saying “It completely stands out, though, sir, if you were to put this up.”

“And it has no historical reference,” Morris chimed in.

A survey conducted over three days with two questions asks if citizens find the signage appropriate for downtown and if they find the cactus offensive. Out of the 1,991 responses, 71.6 percent of those that voted said they found the signage appropriate, while 80.51 percent stated that it was not offensive.

 

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Standing up to defend his concept, Condon reiterated that the idea behind his restaurant is to offer a modern and refined west Texas-inspired venue that attracts people to the area.

“Everyone can have their own opinion and obviously that’s what you’re here for, but for me as an individual that is investing a substantial amount of money in downtown, if you’re to argue that the current condition of the building is better than what we’re going to create, that would be naïve,” he said.

His defense did little to sway the commissioners, however, who continued to repeat that the design was phallic, cartoonish and not compatible with downtown, adding that the bright white smirk of the cactus could also be construed as offensive.

“I agree with the board,” Mazur changed positions. “It looks a little cartoonish to me. It’s kind of overwhelming.”

Explaining that he drew the sketch himself, rather than have the artist create the draft, Condon again tried to win over the DHRC, stating that it could well be that his drawing has a little more “attitude or sass to it than it would in real life”. While the sculpture would be very similar, he said, the angle of the smirk and the length of the points may differ a little as per the artist’s interpretation.

“Maybe we could look at a different design that wasn’t so out there, in your face,” commissioner Eric Eggemeyer said as he made the first suggestion to table the decision. “I don’t see an angry cactus anywhere downtown at this point or anything that resembles this at all.”

A survey conducted over three days with two questions asks if citizens find the signage appropriate for downtown and if they find the cactus offensive. Out of the 1,991 responses, 71.6 percent of those that voted said they found the signage appropriate, while 80.51 percent stated that it was not offensive.

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As Turner spoke up calling the cactus kitsch, Condon again approached the podium and asked if there may be a conflict of interest since Turner owns the Concho Pearl down the street from his property.

“No,” Guerra responded. “In fact, this board has the absolute right to determine if something is consistent or inconsistent with the tenants for the River Corridor.”

In a later interview, Guerra explained that conflicts of interest are reviewed before a person is appointed to the board, rather than on an item-by-item basis.

“She has to have a substantial interest or be considered a business entity,” Guerra said. “She would have to be a business entity of the actual business itself…if she were in business with the Angry Cactus.”

Turner stated on Friday that she doesn’t believe a conflict of interest exists between herself as a restaurant owner and the signage of a competitor, adding that other restaurants have come before the board in the past as well.  She said the DHRC does not have a goal of setting up roadblocks for entrepreneurs, “but to come to a consensus on proposed projects and ensure that the things we build in San Angelo contribute positively to our city.” Turner stressed that she voted for the approval of the Angry Cactus' building plans at an earlier meeting.

“The whole thing with it is that whenever you do submit something it needs to be pretty much what you’re trying to recreate,” she said, referencing the fact that Condon had stated his rendering may differ from the artist’s final product. “There were some issues with that—or rather some questions on it—but they were resolved within the meeting.

"The concerns of the commissioners, myself included, may in fact be alleviated once we are able to view an actual presentation, from the artist of this project. Our hope and goal is not to be in the business of creating road blocks for entrepreneurs," Turner said.

One of the resolutions met in the meeting came when Donaldson suggested that Condon provide an updated and to-scale drawing of the sculpture and the building’s façades. He stated that being able to visualize the cactus with reference to the building may help the commissioners reach a decision.

“The height and size is not the issue that we’ve all been expressing,” Morris said, “it is the actual design.” She agreed with a previous statement about submitting other designs, stating she felt the DHRC was affording Condon a great opportunity in tabling the issue as a denial would have left him unable to submit new renderings for a year.  

“The only thing I have a problem with making it cartoonish,” Mazur said before it was called for a motion. “If we could just get rid of those white teeth, I think I wouldn’t have a problem with it…the eyes don’t bother me, the only thing that bothers me is those white teeth…”

Following a motion to table the decision until Condon returns a to-scale drawing and alternate designs, the commissioners voted unanimously in favor of tabling. Condon is currently drafting further options for the sculpture, and anticipates that he will present them at the next DHRC meeting on the third Thursday in October. 

The story has been updated to reflect an error in the initial report, which identified Barbara Hesse as the second female in the meeting. Information on the city website provides the names of only three women as board members, and having spoken to two--one of which stated she was not present--the process of elimination was used to determined the identity of the second female in the meeting. We have now learned that the board members have recently changed and Hesse is no longer a part of the DHRC. 

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Funny the board states they object to the signage due to the cartoonish nature of the design and yet at the beginning of the presentation, they use Grinner's Daiquiri Bar as an example of what's acceptable signage?!?! Which has a cartoonish bear on their sign!! As to the phallic nature of the design...GROW UP! It's a cactus. Should people cease eating pickles, popsicles, and bananas because of their phallic nature and that some immature people just can't handle it? The only objectional thing I see is the current condition of the building. Someone is willing to make a substantial investment to turn a rundown building into something nice and then they get this nonsense from some pseudo-gov't taste police. How did this group get their seats on this committee? Who votes on this? Based on the survey (which is quite a large sample), they clearly don't represent the majority of San Angelo. So I will vote the only way I know how, with my wallet. Eggemeyers and especially the Concho Pearl will no longer get my business. I hope others follow suit.
Why would anyone want to start a business someplace where they're obviously not wanted? I don't find the artist rendition offensive, but do find it typical of a "historic commission bureaucracy" to want to put up roadblocks for new businesses trying to bring a new twist to an otherwise rundown piece of property. I'm curious to know how much opposition there was toward "House of Fifi DuBois", "Sassy Fox" or "Miss Hatties" (an actual brothel at one time) these all have edgy monikers on their storefronts yet, they are all thriving businesses contributing to the San Angelo economy. With all this opposition, I'm surprised anyone would want to do business here. What's worse is the only ones offended by the signage is this "Historic Commission" After seeing your polls on the subject, maybe we should put it to a vote and not leave it to a handful of people that might or might not have a conflict of interest. With San Angelo's lack of dining choices, I'm surprised that this would be a topic of interest but here we are. My advice to the DHRC is to let this subject go before we lose more business to Midland/Odessa.
The people on this board are an embarrassment to the community. They can't look at a cactus without seeing a penis, and have a problem with white teeth. SMH
...almost to our detriment, to mirror what San Antonio has done with their beautiful Riverwalk and the atmosphere it provides. We're making it clear that we've got the wrong people in place to govern the downtown renovation -- or that we've got some visionaries who can see what the populous can't. I get that they have a vision for downtown in 2020 and that they're focusing on such vision, but I'm not clear on why they feel so strongly that this design is offensive. A scant few consider it offensive in the poll, and while this doesn't reflect the overall opinion of San Angelo, it's a considerable sampling. It seems those in control can't see the forest for the trees. I would encourage the Committee to use Live AND/OR the Standard Times, to poll the city in a more advertised/exposed and formal fashion to get a feel for what the city wants and THEN make the decision. Unfortunately, I think they already know the expected outcome of such a query of the public, and they don't believe it will match their vision. Come on Committee. Don't be selfish and hard headed. Represent.
A.C., Tue, 09/23/2014 - 10:09
The DHRC members ability and willingness to see a phallic image in that cactus is rather telling of the mindset of the people who make decisions in our community. To quote the great Joe Dirt, "Is this where you wanna be when Jesus comes back?"
If this looks like a penis to you, I'd suggest abstaining from intercourse for a while. Maybe tell your partner to schedule an appointment with his doctor... STIs (formerly STDs) are a huge problem that cause many negative side effects. Needles, however, are not a common one. I'd get this checked out immediately. If the urge is just too much, and you have a "ickly for the prickly", I'd definitely make him use protection...
Westtx, Tue, 09/23/2014 - 10:51
What a load!!!! A competitor having a vote in the design of the sign is most definitely a conflict of interest. And Turner says they aren't setting up roadblocks, "but to come to a consensus on proposed projects.." A consensus of a small few, not the general public. If they go with a consensus of the general public, this sign should be authorized. This is exactly why new businesses don't choose San Angelo. These people have no intention of making San Angelo grow, attracting tourists, and making the citizens happy. They want to make themselves happy and make themselves look good and they don't like competition. How on earth is the proposed sign offensive? They say it looks silly. The idea that this commission has the authority to decide what a sign looks like is silly.
I've got a great idea for a sign to put up for city council...a great big middle finger. 1. It shows they're number one in our hearts 2. It points to the sky, implying greatness and never-ending boundaries 3. Similar to the tallest member of the finger family, it also represents the council's place among the people they represent. Any objections?
There is cactus all over the Great State of Texas, what a bunch of horse hockey....... The sign in my opinion looks bad @$$!! I see nothing wrong with it!! Maybe someone should take pictures of all the cactus in the downtown area. Twisted root was granted a sign permit using a old truck??? Where the heck does that fit in??? Where are all the other old junkers downtown?? Where does the smiling bear fit in to our downtown history?? Or many of the other signs?? I think this is all a load of hog wash!! This is his Logo, just like the other ones mentioned. Shows we still have a Design and Historic Review Commission that is still wanting this to be a retirement community....... Freakin Sucks!!!!
Good to know council is tackling the serious issue of phallic cacti aestetics while the collapsed former ATA building on Beauregard continues to erode.
If I am correct, isn't there a topless woman/mermaid in the river like a half a mile from there? Holy shitsnacks, I'm tired of this city. Lets prevent a business owner from fixing up a run down building but HEY, while we're at it, lets put a frac sand facility right next to downtown.
There is little I can add, except that if the cactus is considered phallic, what about thumbs and bald guys?
jdgt, Tue, 09/23/2014 - 13:43
Yeah, I noticed they knocked the building down... but how hard is it to bring in a giant trash can and get rid of the mess left behind? Additionally... I'm offended by Giz & Hum's. That is CLEARLY inappropriate.
live, Tue, 09/23/2014 - 17:29

Correction to an earlier story, “Angry Cactus Causes Uproar.”

In the story we used as a source a video recording of the meeting. We incorrectly identified Barbara Hesse as a participating member. Unknown to us, she was no longer a member of the board as of the Sept. 18 meeting and has been replaced by Sandra Morris. We apologize to our readers, and to Mrs. Hesse for our confusion. The story has been updated with the proper attribution.

Hey at least we never karate kicked the building down over at Giz... I could see why one would think the name Giz and Hums was derived from something inappropriate; however, that couldn't be further from the truth. Those were the nicknames of the owner and his best friend who passed away too early in life. It is more of a tribute to his friend and probably won't ever change as long as he owns the building. Cheers!
jdgt, Tue, 09/23/2014 - 19:02
I was kidding about being offended by Giz and Hum's :) Although I'm sure their nicknames were just as vulgar :) The only offensive thing to me is the old people who are ruining my desire to retire here as well.
a big 10 foot tall green prickly phallic... what a joke. what are the peeps in this commission smoking? then the comment about "get rid of the teeth" haha. i guess it looks like a perv or rapist smile on a giant green phallic and its just too much for some to handle. that being said... if you just do not like it and you don't think it is proper from a historical stand point say that and ask for better drawings, plans, or alternate ideas. do not come up with idiotic ideas in defense of your opinion DHRC... i actually called it cartoonish (spongebobish) on the first article, but i think its is appropriate... an artist could help make it historical with a little imagination, if that is needed... I do think condon should go to a professional artist that could draw the design from several views. it would be better represented..... oh also anyone owning a downtown restaurant (a competitor) should be off the vote... that is common sense...
now i get it... the cactus is a metaphor for pickle... "the angry pickle" the whole thing is after all a giant hidden sexual innuendo... hahaha
The only thing I find offensive about this design is how uninspired it feels. A giant smirking cactus? Aren't we better than that? I'd like to see actual live cactus worked into the design, perhaps spilling over the rooftop. A sign that reads "Angry Cactus" and maybe some angry eyes peeking over the top, surrounded by the live cactus.
as far as the name goes... we already have one historic cactus downtown. we don't need a second one. come up with an original name and decor... I heard condon wants to spend about 1 million on his restaurant the best in west texas... the drawing of the outside evokes... fast food, kiddie play area, and arcade games... I guess those two pointy things on the side of each door are overgrown cactus needles... that is just silly looking and they block the restaurant name signs... mr. condon hire an architect and or a building concept designer... your plans are not good enough...
Who cares what it's called, just because it's downtown and near that stupid, stinking polluted river, I'll never step through the front doors of it regardless what it's name is......
I believe that the 'bear' on Grinner's Daiquiri Bar signage is actually a Cheshire Cat, like the character in the story of Alice in Wonderland. I may be wrong...
This is what happens when a bunch of Christians get together. I bet if it was a cross there would be no issues.

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