Will the Horrifying Mass Shooting in Odessa Set the Stage for Stricter Gun Laws in Texas?

 

ODESSA, TX — “I heard her screaming. I wasn’t sure what she was going through. I heard her cry, you know,” is how Rosie Granados described to CNN the last cell phone conversation she had with her twin sister Mary, 29. Mary was killed when the gunman who went on a shooting rampage in Odessa hijacked Mary’s U.S. Post Office minivan. Surveillance video has surfaced showing Mary delivering mail moments before the gunman attacked her to steal her van.

Mary said after the phone called ended with Mary appearing to be unresponsive, she searched and found her sister’s lifeless body on the ground.

Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said the shooting victims who died ranged in age from 15 to 57 years old. In all, the gunman killed seven and injured 22 more, including three law enforcement officers who were injured. The youngest victim was 17 months old.

With heartbreaking stories coming out of Odessa this week, the call for more laws restricting gun ownership have once again surfaced.

Presidential candidate Robert “Beto” O’Rourke took to CNN’s State of the Union show Sunday morning saying, “This is f*&ked up.” He called for universal background checks and red flag laws. He later defended his use of profanity.

On MSNBC on Sunday, O’Rourke emphasized the need to speak bluntly, citing Rabbi Latz, saying “Profanity is not the f-bomb. What is profane is a 17 month-old baby being shot in the face.”

The day prior to the shootings, O’Rourke told a reporter in Charlottesville, Virginia, “I want to be really clear that that’s exactly what we are going to do,” he said. If you own an AK-47 or AR-15, “you’ll have to sell them to the government,”

Here’s the video of O’Rourke pledging to force owners of AK- and AR-type long guns to sell their weapons to the federal government if he is elected president.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said Sunday in Odessa there are too many mass shooting events in Texas, and there flanked by Republican lawmakers in the Texas Legislature, vowed for more legislation that curb the chances of more mass shootings while at the same time protecting Second Amendment gun ownership rights.

How ready west Texas lawmakers are for placing restrictions on gun ownership rights is in question.

Sen. Charles Perry, whose district adjoins Odessa and Ector County, is on record for being a staunch supporter of gun ownership rights. He specifically said “red flag” laws could be abused by the wrong regulator at the government’s helm, and said he opposes them at last month’s West Texas Legislative Summit in San Angelo. He was among the representatives in Odessa with the governor Sunday.

State Rep. Brooks Landgraf who represents Odessa in the Texas House co-authored the open carry bill that Abbott signed into law in 2015. Landgraf, who comes from a ranching family familiar with guns, has been endorsed by the National Rifle Association and the Texas State Rifle Association.

Also at Sunday’s press conference was State Rep. Tom Craddick, a former speaker of the Texas House who represents Midland. The NRA rates him at 93 percent, favoring less gun restrictions.

Craddick said that the governor could call for a special session of the Texas Legislature to address new gun laws, according to KXAN in Austin. “The governor could, if he finds something that he thinks will help, some strong laws, [that] won’t get a lot of pushback, he could call a special session,” Craddick said.

On Sept. 1, eight laws passed during the 2019 legislative session in Texas went into effect that clarify gun possession statutes, such as allowing a teacher to have a gun with ammunition in their personal vehicle on a public school campus as long as the gun is not in plain sight; increases the number of armed marshals who can be on public school property; allows firearms in foster homes; and bars property owners from restricting most gun rights.

So far, it is unclear if the background history of the killed gunman Seth A. Ator, 36, of Odessa, presented any flags as to if a background check would have prevented him from purchasing an AR-style rifle. He had an old and disposed case against him for criminal trespassing and evading arrest in Waco from 2001. He was given deferred adjudication probation for two years back then. The charges were misdemeanors.

Authorities revealed that the shooter had been fired from his trucking job hours prior to the shooting spree and Craddick told the Midland Reporter-Telegram Ator had previously failed a background check. There were no specifics.

State Sen. Kel Seliger, the Republican representing the district whose boundaries include Odessa, appeared open to take action after the shootings in his hometown. In a statement, he said, “After spending the day with victims, their families, law enforcement, first responders and Governor Abbott my heart is heavy for the Permian Basin. As an elected official I will continue to look to my constituents for guidance on solutions that will prevent this evil from occurring in the future.”

His statement mirrored Governor Abbott’s thoughts.

 

 

If Republicans in charge today decide to take action, the climate in favor of more gun restriction laws is favorable. A poll released in February by the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas revealed that 49 percent of Texans are ready for stricter gun laws.

There have been two more mass shootings, in El Paso and now in Odessa, since that poll was released.

 

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I constantly hear voices from both sides of the aisle and the peanut seats voicing the need for "strict gun control." Well, what is it? Chicago has strict gun control and I can almost guarantee there will be more murders there over the Labor Day holiday than Odessa. I digress, but what will "strict gun control" look like, Joe? Not selling assault rifles? I truly have no problem with that. In my opinion assault rifles have one purpose, killing a human. Outlaw them for all I care. But, before we take the Beetle Bailey Beto approach and profanely run around like chicken little, is outlawing a certain type of gun the answer. I own several guns and shot doves with one of them this morning, but I could have just as easily used the same gun to shoot a human. The same is true for every gun legally in my possession.

The answer is not gun control, Joe. The answer is human control. This twisted twerp from Odessa basically told his employer and the FBI he was about to do something terrible because of his firing. Their excuse for not apprehending him? By the time they got to his place of employment, he was "gone." Gone? Really?! You mean to tell me in this day and age of mentally incompetent slugs opening fire on innocent civilians someone from law enforcement didn't corral this idiot because he was "gone." Again, I digress, but the issue with mass shootings has nothing to do with gun control. The Sandy Hook shooter took the guns he used from a relative. Until law enforcement and the general public learns that ANYONE may be a mass murderer, these senseless acts will continue. The key to avoiding being a statistic is not so much gun control, but to arm oneself in the event defense of life is necessary.

Personally, I'm really surprised an armed citizen in Odessa didn't put this twerp out of his misery early in his killing spree. And disappointed.

CGM5, Mon, 09/02/2019 - 16:01

Yep it's simple, all we have to do is outlaw guns just like we outlawed illegal drugs, problem solved.

There would be less death. If 100 less people died from gun violence... Would it be worth it to you? If it were your child spared? Isnt that worth everything? No family touched by a shooter praises jesus for rednecks having guns just after asking why their loved one died.

Let's examine your gun law utopia. Prior to the implementation of the laws banning the manufacture and sale of new guns, millions of gun owners have purchased all the legally available guns, causing prices to soar, and a vast underground black market has led to the creation of gun cartels that generate billions in revenue for organized crime.
When the government implemented gun "buy backs" and confiscation, many millions more firearms were suddenly missing and unaccounted for, but most have been cleverly hidden. The cartels realize that most homes are concealing now illegal home defense weapons and set out to acquire them at any cost, and home invasion incidents spike astronomically. Many die trying to protect their property, but now it is criminal vs criminal crime since the government made all formerly law abiding gun owners such. As a result, law enforcement dedicates less attention to stopping these crimes and the body count climbs.
The cartels commence war on each other in order to increase territory and profits. Most law enforcement agencies are now fraught with corrupted cops aiding the cartels for either personal profit or to prevent their families from being slaughtered by cartel hitmen.

Just curious....does any of this sound familiar? It could happen here......

As for Odessa idiot boy, had he absolutely no access to a firearm, what is to prevent him from driving a truck into a large crowd? Creating a crude pipe bomb? Or just going on a rampage in the mall with a Samurai sword?
The problem was in his twisted brain.

CGM5, Tue, 09/03/2019 - 17:41

First of all, I hate loaded questions so, I'll answer yours if you will answer mine. # 1- If someone was raping and murdering your family members and there was a gun within your reach would you use it to save your family? #2 - If there is a chance someone will attack and kill your family during this week and you have access to a gun would you keep it close by to protect your family? These are simple yes or no questions. neither require a long explanation. So what is your answer?
As far as gun free zones go, Chicago, New York City and the entire state of California have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. These same three have some of the highest violent crime rates in the nation. Gee!, I wonder what the common denominator is??? I'll be waiting for your answer UR sheep.

Is clickbait. First the police cant/wont say how he acquired this "ar-15 like" weapon. Second if that's true why would more gun laws do anything????? I think we all know that that won't happen in Texas, but if you think otherwise just move your keister to Chicago and stay there.

This isnt one problem. Its many. Our society is a shattered bulb. Glue wont fix it. You could never find all of the fragments to repair it. We need a new bulb. But you are absolutely right. Im getting my family out of this idiot factory.

Relocating for safeties sake is commendable, but I'm currently at a loss to determine a truly "safe" locale.... Last I remember, we can all die at anytime with no prior warning.

The problem with both sides of the argument is this one and done, all or nothing solution mentality when it comes to potential and existing gun legislation.

Cat's out of the bag here in the US. There's little to no chance of getting the majority of guns off the streets and out of the hands of the dimwits with any single action.

Buy-backs could be used in the crunchy parts of the country, but otherwise are pretty useless.

Better execution of background checks is sorely needed. This is an execution, not legislative issue though. Requires more simple and speedier data queries, better agency coordination and communication, etc. Essentially many of the the same inter-agency breakdowns that led to 9/11 almost 2 decades ago are still happening on a smaller scale with these lunatic-with-a-gun situations.

Something I think would go far to help curb the baddies and keep the 'good' folk armed is strict, non-transferable liability that holds every gun owner responsible for any crime committed with the weapon, now or in the future.
Sell a weapon to an unscrupulous gent who holds up a store? You're open to civil penalties.
Leave your gun in the car and it gets stolen and ultimately it's used to kill some drug dealer in Chicago? You're doing 5 years.

Enact some legislation like that and alot of the secondary market sales issues start to solve themselves, weapons get stored properly, fewer thefts, etc.

Of course 2nd amendment nimrods will get hung up on a gun database managed by the government, and gun grabbers won't like that it's not dramatic enough of a change.

And so it will go....

Chicago has a huge problem. Loose gun laws in neighboring states. Most of the weapons used in crimes in Chicago can be traced to purchases in other states, Indiana being the largest source.

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